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Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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This is bound to be a sticky wicket with no easy answers, given the detail that this group is tasked with studying how to do "ethics" better and the charge is the company can't meet the stated standard of ethics for how it treats its own people internally and this is what led to the departure of the employee in question whose identity makes it hard to claim the charge is wrong.

I don't know if the charge is correct or not. I'm guessing it is, but I'm really just saying appearances look pretty damning here and there isn't likely to be a convenient means to successfully white-wash the story.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same reason "Latino" is spelled with a capital "L".

LatinX. As a native Spanish speaker I never understood the X and now I get it. Anyways is incorrect according to the Real Academy of the Spanish Language

It’s ridiculous. It’s completely unnatural and can’t be worked into the language in a day to day way. They should have chosen another vowel like the short ‘e’, latiné.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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'do no evil' is not their motto any more. G would gradually make this team 'redundant' or irrelevant .

Firing one person does not mean that when they said they have over 200 people working on responsible AI. They probably cost tens of millions per year.

It could mean that the others are all doing what management wants them to do without wading into contentious but important areas. Simply having a team hired is wonderful propaganda for Google management because people can make exactly this claim without going into specifics.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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I have contempt for a lot of the things that Google does, but I have a sincere question about all of this. Why should they employ anyone who criticizes them that way in public? I would say the same about Peter Norvig or Guido van Rossum. If you ran the company, or the department, or owned your own firm where employees aired your dirty laundry like this, why should you be expected to keep them on?

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LatinX. As a native Spanish speaker I never understood the X and now I get it. Anyways is incorrect according to the Real Academy of the Spanish Language

It’s ridiculous. It’s completely unnatural and can’t be worked into the language in a day to day way. They should have chosen another vowel like the short ‘e’, latiné.

Any word can be worked into any language if the speakers care.

The truth the inventors and promoters of "Latinx" don't want to face is that Latinos, African-Americans, and almost every other minority is far far more intolerant of everything LGBTQQIA2etc. than liberal elites are.

Pew polls in 2019 showed that 49% of Black Americans did not believe gay people should be allowed to be married. And the more liberal elites try to change people's day-to-day lives in intrusive ways to force them to accept LGBTetc. (like with awkward forced language) the more and more such groups will repel from accepting that.

I've seen it myself in my own community.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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This is bound to be a sticky wicket with no easy answers, given the detail that this group is tasked with studying how to do "ethics" better and the charge is the company can't meet the stated standard of ethics for how it treats its own people internally and this is what led to the departure of the employee in question whose identity makes it hard to claim the charge is wrong. I don't know if the charge is correct o…

> white-wash the story

So to speak

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In a message sent to Pichai and others that linked to the letter, Alex Hanna, a senior research scientist on the Ethical AI team, said it was sent on behalf of her team. A source familiar with the team said it includes roughly a dozen members."

In my experience teams with little work have time to do this "activism"

man, this is her own team, this isn't some abstract very removed issue , this people she worked with advocating for her.

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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post #24

I have contempt for a lot of the things that Google does, but I have a sincere question about all of this. Why should they employ anyone who criticizes them that way in public? I would say the same about Peter Norvig or Guido van Rossum. If you ran the company, or the department, or owned your own firm where employees aired your dirty laundry like this, why should you be expected to keep them on?

Was it public before she got fired?

Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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post #26

This is bound to be a sticky wicket with no easy answers, given the detail that this group is tasked with studying how to do "ethics" better and the charge is the company can't meet the stated standard of ethics for how it treats its own people internally and this is what led to the departure of the employee in question whose identity makes it hard to claim the charge is wrong. I don't know if the charge is correct o…

> white-wash the story So to speak

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Re: Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it sends demands to CEO

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One thing I've wondered: what is the purpose of Google's ethical AI group? What utility does it provide to the corporation?

I suspect the primary motivation for funding ethical AI work is _public relations_ (or less kindly, corporate propaganda) - to help mitigate damage to Google's brands and reputation by public concern surrounding artificial intelligence.

It is well understood that it can be difficult to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends upon them not understanding it. Conversely, it may be difficult to remain employed and continue drawing that paycheck if you publish research that does not portray your employer in a good light, especially if the underlying reason for your role is public relations.

Here's a fun experiment: open up Alphabet's annual report from last year [goog10-k2019], search for the keyword "ethic", and there are two hits, both under item 1A, risk factors. The latter keyword match for "ethic" in the 10-K is regarding supply chain risks, and the potential for unethical behaviour by alphabet's suppliers. But the former keyword match is far more interesting:

> Our ongoing investment in new businesses, products, services, and technologies is inherently risky, and could disrupt our current operations and harm our financial condition and operating results.

[...]

> In addition, new and evolving products and services, including those that use artificial intelligence and machine learning, raise ethical, technological, legal, regulatory, and other challenges, which may negatively affect our brands and demand for our products and services. Because all of these new ventures are inherently risky, no assurance can be given that such strategies and offerings will be successful and will not harm our reputation, financial condition, and operating results.

[goog10-k2019] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204420...

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