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Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by bgilroy26 »

jakubp wrote: post #13
tomjen3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would end up stalling the development of new products. I can't invent and sell an 800 usd massage chair if people assume they cost 5000 usd and so don't even go looking for them. I can't start a "we are cheaper than wallmart" discount business without advertising this fact. You need advertisements, or something like that, to encourage new products and price competition. You do not need tracking for any reason sin…

Yes, it would stall development of a lot of business. Many of these businesses are not necessary. Humans would start a different path of looking for what's actually useful rather than falling for what's out there -- or at least that's the dream :) [edit] Onto your second point, that you need ads to promote price competition, I don't think so. There's almost no advertisement in many kinds of services like e.g. hair sa…

There is an honest need in here, to surface unknown unknowns within the world's of consumer producta/services. It could be solved by a trade show/business fair kind of thing (maybe we would know we had solved it when B2C looked like B2B)

The thing is, advertising does not efficiently suggest products/services now, so the idea that removing it would hurt customers ability to find what they want is a little melodramatic

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by ricardo81 »

h1fra wrote: post #14

It always bother me that ads on tv/paper/radio are highly controlled, regulated (at least in France), with maximum time and restricted content. But ads in internet are just wild! You can have 1 minute of ads for less than 10 minutes of content, plus all the banners, sponsored content etc... I wish the Europe would regulate this and impose a maximum exposition time for ads, like we have for tv. (e.g: in France 6-9 min…

It seems to me anecdotally as a free YouTube user that the number of ads I see on there have been cranked up. As often as once every 3 minutes. I remind myself that I'm not paying anything for their hosting and serving of the video, but it still grinds... particularly so when it's the likes of BBC content which as a UK license payer, has already been paid for and is being monetised on there.

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by bregma »

notRobot wrote: post #2

I wonder, how would the world be different if a major government was to completely ban user tracking? Ad companies would be forced to use contextual advertising. How would that play out?

I despair it will be the opposite. To enhance revenues in the face of recent unexpected expenses due to global pandemic, government will embrace advertising to enhance revenues. Not just government web sites, but all government communications and services. Finding the right line to fill in when completing your tax form will become a game of Where's Waldo among the print ads. Want to see the beauty of a national park... it's right there behind the electronic billboards taking advantage of the proximity detectors in your phone and linked to user tracking.

There is too much lucre at stake for the government to be allowed to regulate. The government is vulnerable and needs to be supported by the advertising lobby. After all, it's what they do.

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by ratww »

ricardo81 wrote: post #22
h1fra wrote: post #14

It always bother me that ads on tv/paper/radio are highly controlled, regulated (at least in France), with maximum time and restricted content. But ads in internet are just wild! You can have 1 minute of ads for less than 10 minutes of content, plus all the banners, sponsored content etc... I wish the Europe would regulate this and impose a maximum exposition time for ads, like we have for tv. (e.g: in France 6-9 min…

It seems to me anecdotally as a free YouTube user that the number of ads I see on there have been cranked up. As often as once every 3 minutes. I remind myself that I'm not paying anything for their hosting and serving of the video, but it still grinds... particularly so when it's the likes of BBC content which as a UK license payer, has already been paid for and is being monetised on there.

I've seen a lot of individuals reporting the same thing. Also, it seems almost every video has ads now. I wonder if those videos you see in landing pages will get them too.

Also, it started showing a "please sign up" to me every hour or so, which is not only disruptive but also buggy, as it forces me to reload the page, losing the position of the video.

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by [deleted] »

h1fra wrote: post #14

It always bother me that ads on tv/paper/radio are highly controlled, regulated (at least in France), with maximum time and restricted content. But ads in internet are just wild! You can have 1 minute of ads for less than 10 minutes of content, plus all the banners, sponsored content etc... I wish the Europe would regulate this and impose a maximum exposition time for ads, like we have for tv. (e.g: in France 6-9 min…

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Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by SCNP »

ratww wrote: post #24
ricardo81 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me anecdotally as a free YouTube user that the number of ads I see on there have been cranked up. As often as once every 3 minutes. I remind myself that I'm not paying anything for their hosting and serving of the video, but it still grinds... particularly so when it's the likes of BBC content which as a UK license payer, has already been paid for and is being monetised on there.

I've seen a lot of individuals reporting the same thing. Also, it seems almost every video has ads now. I wonder if those videos you see in landing pages will get them too. Also, it started showing a "please sign up" to me every hour or so, which is not only disruptive but also buggy, as it forces me to reload the page, losing the position of the video.

YouTube very recently (last 2 weeks?) updated their policy to where ads will be shown in front of videos that don't even qualify for monetization. So, the uploader is ineligible to collect money for "their" content but Google can...

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by SCNP »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #17

> why no home router makers have put ad and track filtering in their products is slightly mystifying French ISP "Free" used to vocally advertise their router ad blocker (consumer interest). They also vocally claimed to be the underdog and fought YouTube then Netflix (huge data volume interconnections are expensive). If I'm not mistaken, in all the 3 cases they ended up "settling"

While it would be awesome to have hardware that did the heavy lifting, I don't like the incentives for commercial products anywhere near the ad-space. It would only be a matter of time before a firmware update allows "permitted" ads through because the advertiser paid the proper sum. It may be time to finally set up my pi-hole.

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by xhedley »

ricardo81 wrote: post #22
h1fra wrote: post #14

It always bother me that ads on tv/paper/radio are highly controlled, regulated (at least in France), with maximum time and restricted content. But ads in internet are just wild! You can have 1 minute of ads for less than 10 minutes of content, plus all the banners, sponsored content etc... I wish the Europe would regulate this and impose a maximum exposition time for ads, like we have for tv. (e.g: in France 6-9 min…

It seems to me anecdotally as a free YouTube user that the number of ads I see on there have been cranked up. As often as once every 3 minutes. I remind myself that I'm not paying anything for their hosting and serving of the video, but it still grinds... particularly so when it's the likes of BBC content which as a UK license payer, has already been paid for and is being monetised on there.

The number of ads on YouTube seemed to increase enough recently to be annoying. So I installed uBlock Origin extension on Chrome. It's a great extension - kudos to the developer Raymond Hill.

Plus point - I don't get annoying adverts any more on YouTube, just a one second video freeze when an advert would have been.

Minus point - I don't want to deny ad revenue to other ad-supported websites that I browse, but I leave my settings the same so effectively I do.

Re: We need legal controls on web advertising

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Post by torben-friis »

h1fra wrote: post #14

It always bother me that ads on tv/paper/radio are highly controlled, regulated (at least in France), with maximum time and restricted content. But ads in internet are just wild! You can have 1 minute of ads for less than 10 minutes of content, plus all the banners, sponsored content etc... I wish the Europe would regulate this and impose a maximum exposition time for ads, like we have for tv. (e.g: in France 6-9 min…

In my country (Spain) there's an awful ongoing trend of betting houses popping up everywhere, both physical and online (sports bet, online poker, etc).

It's awful because the online ads are frequently directed at teenagers, using famous personalities like musicians or sport players as bait, and trying to sell it as the next step after gaming, and something math based where you can learn and use your skill to win a fortune.

I think they're trying to target the generation that grew up with lootboxes, and they're succeeding.

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