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Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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Anyone have any recommendations on a "modern" digital trunking scanner? (handheld) I have an old GRE PSR-500 which isn't terrible, but I'm looking to replace it as it has next to zero software support for programming it and doing it by hand is a real pain. You'd think in this day and age someone would make a scanner with a companion app connected to Radio Reference for programming. Would be nice to have bluetooth aud…

that would be the Uniden SD100. I've got the SD200 which is the "console" model.

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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*in the USA. Radio receivers and scanners sold outside the USA, even if they are made inside the USA, have no restrictions. US manufacturers usually label these radios as "export" versions. It reminds me of the early days of web browsers when "export" versions of Netscape and IE only supported a maximum of 56-bit encryption for SSL.

I take it that was related to the munitions classification for encryption?

Yes. lol.

I worked for a chopper factory in the UK back in the day. We had Novell servers. NetWare CAs back then did as they were told and would only offer rubbish encryption. We used it for throwaway stuff and manually cranked out certs with OpenSSL for important stuff. We also watched firewall logs ...

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I had (and probably still have) a Radio Shack Pro-2006 scanner from the late 80's. Even pre-Internet, instructions on how to bypass the cellular band block were easily found on Fidonet and local BBSes, and all it involved was removing a single diode. https://www.wentztech.com/radio/Equipment/Pro2006/pro2006mod... It was really a golden time for snoop...er..listening to cellular phones because they were so enormously…

Stories please!

I once overheard a phone interview for a position so interesting that I wanted to apply for it myself.

The answer to "How did you hear about our company?" would not have gone well. :-)

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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*in the USA. Radio receivers and scanners sold outside the USA, even if they are made inside the USA, have no restrictions. US manufacturers usually label these radios as "export" versions. It reminds me of the early days of web browsers when "export" versions of Netscape and IE only supported a maximum of 56-bit encryption for SSL.

Or GPS receivers not working at high altitude unless you buy some Asian brands with right chipsets.

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person who also did this, I feel like it has encouraged my suspicion of communication privacy. All it takes is listening to your married neighbor talking to their boyfriend/girlfriend to realize that someone could be doing it to you. The difference now is that it doesn't have to be within a 150 foot radius.

Now, not only does someone not need to be actively listening, they don't even need to save the audio. Just convert it to text, keep it indexed and whatever three letter agency is doing the tapping has an easily searchable record of your communications should they ever feel the need to look into you without you knowing.

Converting to text loses data and will fail on unexpected languages or accents. It's better to use a specialized voice codec, which can have fantastically high compression rates, or just keep the (already annoyingly-companded) 8kbit voice stream around in its entirety. It's pretty small.

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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I had (and probably still have) a Radio Shack Pro-2006 scanner from the late 80's. Even pre-Internet, instructions on how to bypass the cellular band block were easily found on Fidonet and local BBSes, and all it involved was removing a single diode. https://www.wentztech.com/radio/Equipment/Pro2006/pro2006mod... It was really a golden time for snoop...er..listening to cellular phones because they were so enormously…

Stories please!

Not op, but fun story to share.

The year was 1999, I had befriended a strange group of friends from an IRC support channel. We all lived within 250 miles of each other and one day decided to have a gathering with about 6-7 randoms from the channel. Hilarity ensued as we played games of command and conquer, Starcraft, and Serious Sam. I was yelled at for saturating the 1.5mbps SDSL line with my webcam, streaming views to our friends who were too far to drive in. Someone else was eating aluminum soda cans. At one point one guy happened to login and said “wait you guys are having a LAN party? I’ll hop on the PATH and be right there”. Then my life changed in front of my eyes.

In walks this dude that looked like he came straight out of Hackers. We all dap up and continue talking about random nerd things. The conversation goes to cell phones and how the fcc passed this law which OP talks about. Surprise someone has a grandfathered scanner that could scan 800-900mhz. Dude that showed up starts talking about how he knows a guy that knows a guy that took his code and runs an elaborate carding net. Dude then whips out a demodulator app that he wrote that takes beeper signals from the scanner audio and decodes it to text. He tells us we can pull livery and taxi beeper codes because they text headquarters with the credit card numbers on pickups. Then his app does it. One guy holding the scanner at an angle to one of those bend/squiggly microphones that were ubiquitous in the AOL era. Modem like beeping screeching through the air. Then messages and credit card numbers start streaming through this dudes app. The entire room does a collective holy s#%^ mainly because we can’t believe this would be streaming in “broad daylight” across the Hudson.

He went on to explain how he got into hacking almost just like in the movie Hackers. Dude was brilliant and got recruited into hacking groups as a programmer when he was 13. He was writing stuff like this for 5 years. We think we had crossed paths at some point because I was deep in the demo scene and wrote patches for hacking groups.. but that day blew my mind about how security through obscurity worked and led me down a black hat path that switched to white hat in the early 2000s

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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I had (and probably still have) a Radio Shack Pro-2006 scanner from the late 80's. Even pre-Internet, instructions on how to bypass the cellular band block were easily found on Fidonet and local BBSes, and all it involved was removing a single diode. https://www.wentztech.com/radio/Equipment/Pro2006/pro2006mod... It was really a golden time for snoop...er..listening to cellular phones because they were so enormously…

I did the same thing... the stories weren't that great. Almost everyone was just calling into the personal ad mailboxes, and party chat lines. Basically pre-tinder swiping, but just as pathetic then as it is now.

Re: Why radio receivers won’t tune 800-900 MHz

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