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The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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If you reject the idea that people are intelligent enough to think about politics for themselves then you reject the idea that they're intelligent enough to govern themselves. Democracy and free speech are intrinsically linked.

Since you've defined free speech as being published by Youtube, a private publisher, I guess you think democracy didn't exist before Youtube and free speech didn't before Youtube?

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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If you reject the idea that people are intelligent enough to think about politics for themselves then you reject the idea that they're intelligent enough to govern themselves. Democracy and free speech are intrinsically linked.

I thought people were intelligent enough, until we found out that some 75M voted for x. Now x is saying that it's a global conspiracy and bringing 75M believing that lie.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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If you reject the idea that people are intelligent enough to think about politics for themselves then you reject the idea that they're intelligent enough to govern themselves. Democracy and free speech are intrinsically linked.

YouTube can choose to keep or delete any content on their platform regardless of truth/free speech/or not. It's in the EULA. You want free speech, go outside and yell. No one is stopping anyone from free speech. What Google is doing is cleaning up content on their service according to their EULA. If you disagree with the EULA, you can gladly go use another service. I will add, targeting a specific genre of videos loo…

If corporations can't discriminate in hiring due to an American principle of anti-racism, then we can also prevent corporations from discriminating in speech on an American principle of free speech.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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If you reject the idea that people are intelligent enough to think about politics for themselves then you reject the idea that they're intelligent enough to govern themselves. Democracy and free speech are intrinsically linked.

That what I find most amusing about the “everyone should vote”. Then they complain about the stupid people and policies that get voted in.

I might be okay with “every informed person should vote”. But that “informed” part can be heavily politically interpreted.

People have largely missed the fact that politics used to be the domain of informed groups fighting for power blocs. Now it’s been “decentralized” and radicalized on Twitter and Reddit and made into glorified reality Tv entertainment by the mass media (who are clearly serving a market with high demand who treat politics like sports teams).

I’d rather have way less people voting and it go back to being mostly boring educated people topic than it’s below common denominator mess it is today.

But I’m unabashedly elitist and understand that there are plenty of well funded groups who want dumb malleable voters and as many as possible.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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Then what? Allowing false information to fester is wrong, censorship is wrong. The way forward is to ban recommendation algorithms and go back to personal (as in, from other humans you know) recommendation systems.

I'm inclined to agree, but that is not the direction things seem to be headed. Dorsey called for increasingly personalized algorithms before congress a few weeks ago, while Zuckerberg basically implied FB would continue to acquiesce to congressional requests for censorship.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -Isaac Asimov or more to the point "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Colbert You're not entitled to be heard.…

> Reality has a well-known liberal bias

Except when it comes to nuclear, GMO, gender science, nature vs nurture, I'm sure there are other things I'm not remembering right now.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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Then what? Allowing false information to fester is wrong, censorship is wrong. The way forward is to ban recommendation algorithms and go back to personal (as in, from other humans you know) recommendation systems.

The algorithm here really is the perpetrator. The insane things I've had recommended to me by Youtube after watching rather boring philosophy videos or a bit of history is amazing. One of their recommendations was literally full on nutter ranting at a camera - and it came up on a video of a guy who builds and tests medieval longbows!

I much prefer recommendations from people.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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If you reject the idea that people are intelligent enough to think about politics for themselves then you reject the idea that they're intelligent enough to govern themselves. Democracy and free speech are intrinsically linked.

YouTube can choose to keep or delete any content on their platform regardless of truth/free speech/or not. It's in the EULA. You want free speech, go outside and yell. No one is stopping anyone from free speech. What Google is doing is cleaning up content on their service according to their EULA. If you disagree with the EULA, you can gladly go use another service. I will add, targeting a specific genre of videos loo…

They have the right to do it, and it will make the world worse off. Taibbi always has had a great guy instinct for normal Americans and how they react to elite condescension, and he's right here.

My idiot brother got twice as radicalized when they kicked Alex Jones's crazy ass off YouTube.

It made people feel better and more morally superior, especially employees. It hurt my brother. Now when he watches that asshole, he's on a website where he is guaranteed to never get the other side.

If you support this, then you don't know anything about how humans react to censorship.

Re: The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire

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It's crazy what's getting banned. If you believe in science, then you believe that experts and authorities can be wrong, and likely are wrong about some things. You believe that it is important to question those beliefs. What youtube is doing is against science. If you believe in liberty, then you know that more than one thing can be right at the same time. That there is more than one way to do things. What youtube i…

If you believe in science, you also believe that things can be proven wrong, and that repeating wrong things can influence people especially if you have the power to amplify your voice with money. If you believe in liberty, you believe in the liberty of a set of an individuals (a company) to do what they damn well please with their platform.

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