Urgent appeal to Paul Graham, etc.: Please help kickstart Common Lisp revolution

Post by Hexstream » Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 5:58 PM UTC

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Simple syntax is just one of countless crucial features. Here is just a trivial sample: https://twitter.com/HexstreamSoft/status/1334220825281654785 Fairly extensive advocacy pieces already exist, and we need even more sophisticated ones, and better infrastructure overall, and it would be much easier to do that with proper funding.

It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose?

Post by Rochus » Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 6:04 PM UTC

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It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? How can we recognize a programming language as the "best" one at all? Why do "we need even more sophisticated" extensive advocacy pieces? What "better infrastructure" is required for what purpose?

> It does not help to "prove" an assertion by making further unsubstantiated assertions. Exactly, so stop doing that, then. Including sealioning. > Why is Lisp the "best programming language"? First, the best programming language is Common Lisp, not just any Lisp. Second, I already gave hints towards answering your question above, but you do have to do your homework if you want to even have a chance at understanding.…

Post by Rochus » Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 6:25 PM UTC

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Yes, that you should be better able to justify why you are the right person for the job; after all, it is you who is asking for money and questioning the competence of others. In any case, you are not able to convince me, and on the basis of the other comments one can assume that this also applies to others. It's not enough that you are very convinced of your own abilities.

My CV and other writings and most especially my work itself pretty extensively justify that I'm the right person for the job. Of course, it's probably pretty hard to tell without significant Common Lisp expertise... My CV: https://cv.hexstream.expert/ My work: https://www.hexstreamsoft.com/ Also, you should probably ask Paul Graham what he thinks of college dropouts...

Post by Rochus » Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 6:57 PM UTC

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Is this in all seriousness your answer to the questions? And yes, I looked through your rather chaotic pitch.

It is chaotic, I'll give you that. This is a direct reflection of the chaotic state of the Common Lisp community and of all the hard work that is going to be required to bring it to a state of dignity. I am actively working on bringing about this change, and although I am already fairly effective despite the constant and increasingly blatant sabotage and almost total lack of funding, I would be quite a bit more effec…

Post by Rochus » Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 7:17 PM UTC

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Educa... " Graham received a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy from Cornell University[7][8] (1986).[9] He then attended Harvard University, earning Master of Science (1988) and Doctor of Philosophy (1990) degrees in computer science.[7][10] He has also studied painting at the Rhode Island School of Design and at the Accademia di Belle Arti in Florence.[7][10] "

I can't immediately find where in his essays he talked favorably about college dropouts, but there is this: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1110248609545703425