I don’t know why we keep caring what he thinks
On that specific subject I agree. I still remember him "promoting" the Chrome books, it was bizarre...
Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
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Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#22I'm really not holding out much hope that Linux will natively run on these M1s, even if we get it to boot there's all the driver issues for the integrated GPU, audio, wifi etc. I'd imagine there is a lot of power management stuff on there too.
Bootcamp only really worked because Apple did the work. I'm sure they could do the same for Linux, but it would be harder because there's less commoditized hardware and possibly less demand because fewer people run Linux on their laptops than Windows.
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#23One thing I recall is Linus is really big on "absolutely no noise whatsoever". The passively cooled but still reasonably powerful Air seems like ideal hardware for his tastes, at least for a laptop.
How long before the thermal throttling kicks in? I guess if that's the case probably only a performance issue for me when not at home with a laptop cooler underneath.
About 8.5 minutes of full load it starts to throttle. At about 30 minutes the throttling peaks.
Although, even when throttling it's only at 80% power. For native apps that's still faster than the mobile i9 in the 16in mbp.
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#24I wonder if we have confirmation from an M1 owner (that is familiar with Apple stuff) that there's no way of booting from external media from the "bios"
Of course, then you would need to get on the whole trouble of initializing video/T2/etc but it could be doable
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#25I don’t know why we keep caring what he thinks
Why wouldn't we?
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#26> I've been waiting for an ARM laptop that can run Linux for a long time. I wonder if the Pinebook Pro would suit some Linux laptop use cases? Its an ARM laptop for $200, no fan, that ships with Manjaro Linux installed.
The issue is that you really start feel the performance limitations of a cheap ARM SoC. Especially if you do a bunch of C compiling like Torvalds would.
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#27I'm really not holding out much hope that Linux will natively run on these M1s, even if we get it to boot there's all the driver issues for the integrated GPU, audio, wifi etc. I'd imagine there is a lot of power management stuff on there too.
The bootloader isn't a problem, Apple even gave instructions on how to do it.
Drivers are a problem. Somehow doubt Apple is going to document those.
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#28Can you install Linux on the Surface Pro X?
There seem to be people working on it at least:
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#29Honestly, I don't think anyone is holding their breath for the day that corporations like Apple and Microsoft give the world the Linux that they deserve. Imagine if these power brokers didn't exist and a whole generation of children grew up on Linux rather than Mac/PC. Huge opportunity cost for society in my opinion.
My daughters school gives her a chrome book so she is growing up using Linux. Her fire tablet also uses linux.
Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air
#30I wonder if we have confirmation from an M1 owner (that is familiar with Apple stuff) that there's no way of booting from external media from the "bios" Of course, then you would need to get on the whole trouble of initializing video/T2/etc but it could be doable
I don't own an M1 device, but it's been confirmed that boot security can be disabled entirely. I'm pretty sure that booting from external devices works fine once security has been disabled.
It's a bit different from Intel based Macs though. It used to be you'd hold Option while booting to be presented with an EFI boot disk picker, but now you hold down the power button to be greeted by a micro-macOS boot options menu.