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Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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Cold showers, warm milk and zero screen time right before bed. Thought of just mentioning it, dunno if it might help you in particular.

Is there a study showing that cold shower before bed helps sleep? Thanks

It was mentioned in Tim Ferris' book so I tried it at the time, considering I was living in a tropical country at the time, so the cold definitely helped get to sleep. I just checked once more and he mentions a Stanford University professor's quote on the same.

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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As an old guy with insomnia who freaks out seeing these headlines on the hacker news, I’d like to thank you sincerely. This shit is scary at my age.

Do ketogenic/low inflammatory diet + Ayahuasca ceremonies to open up heart/mind.

Are you implying that an Ayahuasca retreat will improve your sleep?

Or decrease cognitive decline?

What does an open heart/mind mean in this context?

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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Great, another thing insomniacs can lie awake worried about!

You joke, but my mum's mind has died from Alzheimer's and I'm literally having anxiety attacks induced from that leaving me to extremely poor sleep patterns. Her father had Alzheimer's (undiagnosed AFAIK), and my mum had poor sleep patterns for sure (though not as bad as mine are, I think). If there's truth in this then somewhat ironically, yes, there's a perpetuation there. Sorry, to bring the town down.

No, I have bouts of onset insomnia too and I think at times it’s been exacerbated by worrying about my sleep quality due to reading news like this.

Really sorry to hear about your Mother.

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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People will be tempted to infer causation here, but it's important to note that no evidence of causation is presented. It is most likely that some third condition causes both poor sleep and amyloid-b accumulation (since correlation usually doesn't indicate causation).

Causation is often treated as a binary outcome in the popular press, more recent attempts at adding nuance to that via statistics aren't much better. Hard to come up with solutions or alternatives but speaking personally I felt humbled at my own paltry understanding when reading this[1] reference.

[1] https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-handbook-...

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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Great, another thing insomniacs can lie awake worried about!

You joke, but my mum's mind has died from Alzheimer's and I'm literally having anxiety attacks induced from that leaving me to extremely poor sleep patterns. Her father had Alzheimer's (undiagnosed AFAIK), and my mum had poor sleep patterns for sure (though not as bad as mine are, I think). If there's truth in this then somewhat ironically, yes, there's a perpetuation there. Sorry, to bring the town down.

You can get tested for genetic susceptibility to developing Alzheimer's. That might be worth a shot.

I also read that Keto diet has solid scientific evidence of preventing Alzheimer's fyi

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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As an old guy with insomnia who freaks out seeing these headlines on the hacker news, I’d like to thank you sincerely. This shit is scary at my age.

Cold showers, warm milk and zero screen time right before bed. Thought of just mentioning it, dunno if it might help you in particular.

I was told that alternating cold and hot showers - a few cycles - help reset the nervous system. I tried it a few times and seems to be working, makes me feel relaxed and tired in a pleasant way. Simply taking cold showers before going to bed will make you feel invigorated, not very conducive to sleep.

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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Yeah, but that's true with all long term nutrition and lifestyle studies, since it's impossible to test for causation with any degree of rigor (I don't even know what a long term double blind study would look like). So, yes, correlation does not imply causation; it does still imply correlation. Even if a third variable, if you're getting poor sleep, you're more likely to have higher Amyloid-β build up

establishing causation is not impossible, just hard.

We take a preponderance of correlation as evidence, but we can't really provide rigorous proof. I mean, imagine what a double blind study to, say, 'prove' that smoking causes lung cancer would entail. The ethics of causing something we have reason to suspect is harmful to a population sample is ethically extremely problematic; hence, all we frequently have is correlative.

Even when it's something there isn't as big an ethical issue for it's usually not single blinded, let alone double. Diet, for instance; the groups know what they're eating. Did the differences happen because of the different diet, or because of something else (such as increased energy leading to more exercise, or the perception that they were eating 'healthy' lead to them actually becoming so, or picking up other healthy habits? Etc).

As I said, establishing causation -with any degree of rigor-, is basically impossible. Otherwise we're just left with "hey, a whole buncha correlative studies indicate this, so, maybe take it as true?"

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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As an old guy with insomnia who freaks out seeing these headlines on the hacker news, I’d like to thank you sincerely. This shit is scary at my age.

Cold showers, warm milk and zero screen time right before bed. Thought of just mentioning it, dunno if it might help you in particular.

I do all that stuff, and more. Thank you, but it doesn’t help much. One one thing that helps is not having any screens or audio in bed and waking up at the same time every day. The latter is excruciating for me.

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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"It is most likely that ..." I agree with your main point and was going to write something like this. But "most likely" is likely unjustified. It could be a 3rd factor that causes both, but its likelihood is unknown.

https://www.gwern.net/Causality Correlation usually does not indicate causation. I.e. more than 50% of the time, correlative relationships in studies do not indicate causal ones. Taking that as a prior, and lacking any evidence to the contrary, it is indeed correct to say "it is most likely that ...".

... fair point! I stand corrected!

Re: Poor Sleep Linked with Future Amyloid-β Build Up

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post #12

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As an old guy with insomnia who freaks out seeing these headlines on the hacker news, I’d like to thank you sincerely. This shit is scary at my age.

Cold showers, warm milk and zero screen time right before bed. Thought of just mentioning it, dunno if it might help you in particular.

The world is full of advice about sleep, but very little of it is appropriate for everyone.
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