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The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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So I've been studying Unger for about four years now through my political activism. He is verbose in his language but once you get used to it you can see his brilliance. His core arguments on the KE are as follows: - It is creating a schism in the American workforce, and those on the outside lack access to the necessary educational institutions to ever catch up. - Our IP laws are stagnating our economic development b…

> It is creating a schism in the American workforce, and those on the outside lack access to the necessary educational institutions to ever catch up. The implicit idea of offering a transition to knowledge work as a means for people who have been economically shut out to catch up is a misreading of the situation. An economy must consist of more than just knowledge workers. If a guy who's stuck stocking shelves in a s…

> The implicit idea of offering a transition to knowledge work as a means for people who have been economically shut out to catch up is a misreading of the situation.

I agree with this premise. In essence, to argue that education is a sufficient (necessary and widespread as it should be) support is to argue that the only people who matter are those with the ability to be trained (and retrained, and retrained as the economy shifts.) And that the only thing that matters about people is their ability to learn, not their need for food, shelter, plumbing, health care, etc. It splits the brain from the body, traditionally a bleak end.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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> It is creating a schism in the American workforce, and those on the outside lack access to the necessary educational institutions to ever catch up. The implicit idea of offering a transition to knowledge work as a means for people who have been economically shut out to catch up is a misreading of the situation. An economy must consist of more than just knowledge workers. If a guy who's stuck stocking shelves in a s…

I don't agree that it's a misreading. Your point that there are hierarchies within the skill set of various tasks is true, however the argument isn't that everyone needs to be a KE worker - it's that everyone needs the opportunity to be one. Presently that is not the case, many are completely shutout simply because of birth lottery. A core part of Unger's argument is the expansion of a vital suite of protections for…

> the argument isn't that everyone needs to be a KE worker - it's that everyone needs the opportunity to be one.

But the key point against the argument is that not everyone is able to be a knowledge worker, so a universal opportunity for becoming one still ignores important segments of humanity as well as important needs of KEs themselves (e.g. grocery shelf stocking.)

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree that it's a misreading. Your point that there are hierarchies within the skill set of various tasks is true, however the argument isn't that everyone needs to be a KE worker - it's that everyone needs the opportunity to be one. Presently that is not the case, many are completely shutout simply because of birth lottery. A core part of Unger's argument is the expansion of a vital suite of protections for…

> the argument isn't that everyone needs to be a KE worker - it's that everyone needs the opportunity to be one. But the key point against the argument is that not everyone is able to be a knowledge worker, so a universal opportunity for becoming one still ignores important segments of humanity as well as important needs of KEs themselves (e.g. grocery shelf stocking.)

Why do you think not every is able to be a KE worker?

Do you mean in the immediate present, or are you saying that even in a scenario of reimagined social organization there would still be people unable to do this type of work?

The former I understand and agree with, the latter I would strongly disagree with. IMHO every human being is a blank slate of infinite potential at birth, at the circumstances they are born into in combination with the time of their arrival are the two most determining factors. Ungers argument is to radically redirect ourselves in order to make the second option possible.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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post #6

So I've been studying Unger for about four years now through my political activism. He is verbose in his language but once you get used to it you can see his brilliance. His core arguments on the KE are as follows: - It is creating a schism in the American workforce, and those on the outside lack access to the necessary educational institutions to ever catch up. - Our IP laws are stagnating our economic development b…

I find your summary to be concise and reasonable, to the degree I follow the article. I'd not heard of Unger before, but think he's brilliant. I found the reading to be a bit of a wade. For that, I'll fault my own lack of background in addition to recognizing that he is a lawyer :) Where (books, etc) would you recommend starting with Unger? Where did you start? What prompted it?

I think his most approachable book is his newest "The Knowledge Economy". I highly recommend it to anyone interested in a macro perspective of our economic transition as it stands now and where it can go.

If you prefer more academic texts my favorite work of his is "The Religion of the Future" and I also enjoyed "The Singular Universe & the Reality of Time" that he co-wrote with the physicist Lee Smolin. His earlier works are good but less digestible and can be picked up from his lectures.

About 4 years I founded a 501c3 non-profit that built a free election campaign platform for local candidates - the idea was to solve the problem of $20k campaigns for town council. Our beta went well, citizens loved it - but it was a bad product market fit. I have a rudimentary technical knowledge but if anyone is interested the git is here: https://github.com/OurSociety/OurSociety---Free-Local-Campai...

During that time my wife introduce my to him haphazardly and he just sucked me in. I started by listening to his lectures and have since "taken" all of his courses at least twice.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the argument isn't that everyone needs to be a KE worker - it's that everyone needs the opportunity to be one. But the key point against the argument is that not everyone is able to be a knowledge worker, so a universal opportunity for becoming one still ignores important segments of humanity as well as important needs of KEs themselves (e.g. grocery shelf stocking.)

Why do you think not every is able to be a KE worker? Do you mean in the immediate present, or are you saying that even in a scenario of reimagined social organization there would still be people unable to do this type of work? The former I understand and agree with, the latter I would strongly disagree with. IMHO every human being is a blank slate of infinite potential at birth, at the circumstances they are born in…

> IMHO every human being is a blank slate of infinite potential at birth

I respect that and principally agree on the ideals. And I don't think that's a complete picture. I ask you to consider the disabled and the aged as examples of what I'll call 'shaped' potential to distinguish from 'infinite' potential. I hope you would make the distinction between the availability of education and the requirement for its use. To demand 'infinite' growth from 'shaped' potential is cruelty, not generosity.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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This is written in the same convoluted style as a New York Review of Books literature review; it's confusing and seems to be more about proving the author's intelligence than making a point. When the article (finally) comes to the point, the author overstates its significance. He says that Romer was wrong, but then admits Romer was mostly correct, with a few addenda which Romer may have thought too obvious to bother…

I honestly think writing this way demonstrates a lack of intelligence. Clarity of writing demonstrates a clarity of thought. Muddy writing demonstrates a muddy mind.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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This seems quite out of touch with reality as far as I can tell. It is possible to see Facebook in his analysis, but what about the latest generation of ultrasound medical devices? Having done a lot of release engineering and now "devops" I have found that in reality the essential work of attending logs, understanding changes and configuration management, composing and executing basic scripts, is actually well within reach of ordinary people and employees with hardly any relevant training often end up handling daily tasks in technology development. One of the confounding factors is that tech companies tend to pick up ordinary people from the tech developer dominated local areas where they operate, but the trend toward remote work might have an effect on that.

Re: The Knowledge Economy: A Critique of the Dominant View

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post #6

So I've been studying Unger for about four years now through my political activism. He is verbose in his language but once you get used to it you can see his brilliance. His core arguments on the KE are as follows: - It is creating a schism in the American workforce, and those on the outside lack access to the necessary educational institutions to ever catch up. - Our IP laws are stagnating our economic development b…

Could you share what your political activism consists on, for context?
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