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Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by Jach »

I had my first gout attack a couple years ago several weeks into a keto diet (had done keto before with no issues). I found https://www.virtahealth.com/blog/keto-adapted which shows a graph of uric acid spiking as you begin the diet and returning back to baseline after several weeks, which was something I didn't know before, but I was still confused because it was already at several weeks.

To make a long story short I discovered the next year that the culprit was pistachios. So long as I don't eat too many of them while dieting, my foot is fine.

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Post by mtgx »

tropdrop wrote: post #11

> Some scientists point to the dramatic rise in rates of obesity — from 13.4 percent of adults in 1980 to 42.4 percent in 2017-18, again per the NHANES — since excess weight depresses kidney efficiency, and to the likely not unrelated introduction, in 1967, of high-fructose corn syrup , which can cause the body to produce higher levels of uric acid, and its wholesale embrace in the early 1980s by the American food in…

Isn't it interesting how we started getting much fatter and more diabetes just around the time we were told to give up meat fat and instead eat "healthier" alternatives made with vegetable oil, sugar, and corn syrup?

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Post by javitury »

centimeter wrote: post #5
lwansbrough wrote: post #2

I had my first gout attack on August 14th 2018 at just 24, following a night filled with liquor and red meat. Though I’ve gone through periods of continuous activity, it’s safe to say I lead a somewhat sedentary life. Today, at 26, I have been free of major gout symptoms since my first attack 2 years ago. Though I occasionally get mild inflammation in my gout-prone foot if I stray too far from my diet, I’ve been effe…

I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose) and purine. Purine is present in quantity in certain organ meats, but not meats that most people eat frequently, and you're more likely to get it from legumes.

A quick search on the internet shows the opposite. Most popular legumes don't have high levels of purines despite having high protein levels.

Also "higher total dietary protein intake from mainly poultry and fish/shellfish was associated with an increased risk of gout, while dietary intake of soy and nonsoy legumes was associated with a reduced risk of gout."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939435/

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by thomasfromcdnjs »

centimeter wrote: post #5
lwansbrough wrote: post #2

I had my first gout attack on August 14th 2018 at just 24, following a night filled with liquor and red meat. Though I’ve gone through periods of continuous activity, it’s safe to say I lead a somewhat sedentary life. Today, at 26, I have been free of major gout symptoms since my first attack 2 years ago. Though I occasionally get mild inflammation in my gout-prone foot if I stray too far from my diet, I’ve been effe…

I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose) and purine. Purine is present in quantity in certain organ meats, but not meats that most people eat frequently, and you're more likely to get it from legumes.

Why the down votes for an alternative opinion?

There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout.

Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.

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Post by p1necone »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #25
centimeter wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose) and purine. Purine is present in quantity in certain organ meats, but not meats that most people eat frequently, and you're more likely to get it from legumes.

Why the down votes for an alternative opinion? There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout. Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.

"alternative opinions" are not science.

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by LeCow »

Dispelling bullshit time.

Gout isn't caused by what you eat, it's an underlying problem with your kidneys/liver/body and an inability to extract uric acid. It can be exasterbated by drinking beer, dehydration, red meat etc.

Saying it's caused by what you eat is a bit like saying peanuts cause peanut allergies, or eating gluten causes coeliacs. You already have the condition, the things you eat makes it worse.

I've been suffering with it since I've been a teenager.

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