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Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by tw04 »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #5
pavel_lishin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, claiming that women are bad at engineering and being thought of as a shithead is definitely equivalent to spending time in a Thai jail cell.

That’s a quick and strong reaction. Do you have a problem with women in tech? If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. I’m anti lockdown too. I get ostracized every time I bring it up.

>If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. I’m anti lockdown too. I get ostracized every time I bring it up.

Generally speaking, when you're pro something that provably kills innocent people, just because the alternative is inconvenient for you personally, you're going to get ostracized.

"I'm for drunk-driving because I don't like paying or waiting for Ubers and I drive a big truck so I'll be OK" - also going to get you ostracized. Has almost nothing to do with "cancel culture" and everything to do with: show some basic respect to your fellow human beings.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by tw04 »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #15
EliRivers wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. On the face of it, that's an interesting position to take. We know someone has a communicable disease that kills, we wonder if people he's been in contact with might also have it and might also be spreading it and dying of it; finding out seems like quite a sensible idea. What's the objection?

Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy.

Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m.

As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about everyone would agree with you (at least on HN) that it's just not a sacrifice worth making. But NOBODY is saying that, they're saying: how about we use this tool until a vaccine is ready - which is a far more reasonable ask.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

tw04 wrote: post #22
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy. Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m. As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about e…

My factual numbers aren’t “bad” simply because you choose a different perspective. Notice how I am respectful of your position despite your attempts to bully me into joining some concept of unanimous consent you have contrived here. The reality is, very strong correlation of Vitamin D deficiency to hospitalization and death. But I’m not here telling you to be reasonable and dose Vitamin D to protect yourself and take responsibility for your own health.

Bottom line though, I go to work and I go home. Contact tracing the old fashioned way is 100% sufficient for me. If you want to engage risky behavior that’s on you. I have no obligation to have my every movement tracked because of your exercise of free will.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by dkdk8283 »

tw04 wrote: post #22
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy. Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m. As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about e…

I would have agreed with you had I not witnessed the passing and renewal of the patriot act. Back then I was in favor of it, too.

I think it’s naive to think contact tracing will ever be rolled back. I fear it will be a new permanent surveillance tool.

I would rather keep my personal liberty.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by seibelj »

tw04 wrote: post #21
dkdk8283 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a quick and strong reaction. Do you have a problem with women in tech? If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. I’m anti lockdown too. I get ostracized every time I bring it up.

>If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. I’m anti lockdown too. I get ostracized every time I bring it up. Generally speaking, when you're pro something that provably kills innocent people, just because the alternative is inconvenient for you personally, you're going to get ostracized. "I'm for drunk-driving because I don't like paying or waiting for Ubers and I drive a big truck so I'll…

It’s more complicated than this. Covid is barely worse than the average flu for healthy young people, yet even those with no contact with at-risk groups must still disrupt their lives for seemingly no reason. IMO this is unfair to them and also prevents herd immunity from developing. Furthermore outbreaks are happening in places even with more strict protocols. Overall I think the damage from the reaction to the pandemic is worse than the disease itself.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by justinclift »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #23
tw04 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy. Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m. As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about e…

My factual numbers aren’t “bad” simply because you choose a different perspective. Notice how I am respectful of your position despite your attempts to bully me into joining some concept of unanimous consent you have contrived here. The reality is, very strong correlation of Vitamin D deficiency to hospitalization and death. But I’m not here telling you to be reasonable and dose Vitamin D to protect yourself and take…

> Contact tracing the old fashioned way is 100% sufficient for me.

Errr... you said you are against "contact tracing".

I (personally) took that to mean "the old way". But it sounds like you're against the automated phone app thing?

Well, I am too. My phone isn't capable of running any of the apps anyway, so it's kind of moot in my case.

Regarding lockdown, in my state (Victoria, Australia) we're just now starting to loosen our lock down rules after a sustained (multi-month) period of lock down.

For us, it worked. We've just had our 14th day of 0 new coronavirus cases in a row, and they shouldn't be returning. :)

That was after starting into a J-curve of increasing coronavirus cases, hitting 700+ per day before the lock down started taking effect.

So, lockdowns + masks work. And if we hadn't gone down that path, we'd be heading to a dark place about now (like the US) and our economy would probably end up turning to shit. o_O

That being said, the lock down sucked.

We also had a curfew (8pm - 5am), to help manage it. Not being able to go out except for exercise or to buy food gets to a person after a few weeks. :(

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by mckirk »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #24
tw04 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy. Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m. As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about e…

I would have agreed with you had I not witnessed the passing and renewal of the patriot act. Back then I was in favor of it, too. I think it’s naive to think contact tracing will ever be rolled back. I fear it will be a new permanent surveillance tool. I would rather keep my personal liberty.

How, exactly, would a contact tracing app implemented using the currently used protocols pose any threat to your privacy?

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by ralph84 »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #24
tw04 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps put the "kills" in the proper context of 240,000 / 350,000,000 and then evaluate the relative risk vs. sacrificing one's privacy. Those are some pretty horrible numbers you're attempting to use. 350m people haven't been infected, so it's nowhere close to 240k/350m. It's closer to 240k/10m. As for privacy: if we were told we'd need to be permanently tracked from now until the end of time, I think just about e…

I would have agreed with you had I not witnessed the passing and renewal of the patriot act. Back then I was in favor of it, too. I think it’s naive to think contact tracing will ever be rolled back. I fear it will be a new permanent surveillance tool. I would rather keep my personal liberty.

Nothing is ever rolled back. 19 years after 9/11 we're still doing the security theater dance at the airport.

Re: TripAdvisor warns users over Thai hotel that legally pursued reviewer

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Post by evgen »

seibelj wrote: post #26
tw04 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you must know I was referring to contact tracing. I’m against it. I’m anti lockdown too. I get ostracized every time I bring it up. Generally speaking, when you're pro something that provably kills innocent people, just because the alternative is inconvenient for you personally, you're going to get ostracized. "I'm for drunk-driving because I don't like paying or waiting for Ubers and I drive a big truck so I'll…

It’s more complicated than this. Covid is barely worse than the average flu for healthy young people, yet even those with no contact with at-risk groups must still disrupt their lives for seemingly no reason. IMO this is unfair to them and also prevents herd immunity from developing. Furthermore outbreaks are happening in places even with more strict protocols. Overall I think the damage from the reaction to the pand…

> It’s more complicated than this.

No, it really isn't. You are just trying to pretend it is because the current solutions do not fit your particular worldview or cause you some temporary inconvenience.

> Covid is barely worse than the average flu for healthy young people,

Not true. We are really starting to understand the long-term consequences of even 'light' covid cases so I have absolutely no idea why you thought you were going to be able to float this particular lie past us.

> yet even those with no contact with at-risk groups must still disrupt their lives for seemingly no reason.

Because the people they interact with may have contact with at-risk groups. This is epidemiology 101, limit transmission paths to slow down a disease.

> IMO this is unfair to them and also prevents herd immunity from developing.

It is becoming pretty clear that 'herd immunity' is going to be hard to develop without some widespread vaccination.

> Furthermore outbreaks are happening in places even with more strict protocols.

But places with strict protocols are doing a lot better than those without.

> Overall I think the damage from the reaction to the pandemic is worse than the disease itself.

Demonstrably false. It is quite telling that you and all of the other anti-lockdown people are no longer trying to tell us that Sweden is the model to follow. Over the past month it has become obvious that Sweden really fucked up badly and their choice to not lockdown is leading to a huge second wave while their neighbors are cruising along at almost no cases/deaths.

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