Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

uni-mainz.de

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 216 posts

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#21

Post by sleepysysadmin »

TheDong wrote: post #13
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #2

Been in this case a couple jobs; both MSP jobs naturally. When you're burnt out you just don't see it. In both of my previous jobs the burnout also had a boss who was consistently micromanaging and saying you aren't working hard enough. This is one of the weaknesses of government. A fundamental law that governments should have is that your employer cannot harm your health. Even in mental cases like burnout, the emplo…

> This is one of the weaknesses of government. A fundamental law that governments should have is that your employer cannot harm your health I think there's a better way to deal with this. Rather than legislate that certain abuses of health aren't okay, let's instead make it so people aren't stuck working jobs if they don't think it's worth it. Right now, the main reason workplaces can abuse employees so much is that…

>I think there's a better way to deal with this. Rather than legislate that certain abuses of health aren't okay, let's instead make it so people aren't stuck working jobs if they don't think it's worth it. Right now, the main reason workplaces can abuse employees so much is that employees can't quit, or else they'd starve on the street.

I know where you're going and I'm a fence sitter.

>If we had a livable universal basic income, that would allow anyone to, at any time, decide if their job's extra income + the meaning it gave them was worth the stress and other issues.

Here in Canada we have tried basic income systems and even have a current system for some of our people. It's a disaster. It single handedly increases poverty and crime like no other policy.

Have you ever heard of a negative income tax rate? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM

>We already have good evidence that this wouldn't result in no one working since, well, quite a few of the people born wealthy enough to never need to work do work anyway.

Only when you exclude systems that arent by name which is common for socialist/communist/collectivist/postmodernist or whatever the new brand is that they go by today as the old name becomes tarnished.

There's tremendous evidence that welfare system in general have never been successful. When we have a problem that which the welfare system is proposed as the fix. The problem gets worse as the welfare system is implemented. Then the fix is that the welfare system needs more money and as they get more money the problem becomes worse.

In fact many of these systems are not designed to help the poor even though by name they are supposed to be.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#22

Post by eeZah7Ux »

amelius wrote: post #8
dirtybirdnj wrote: post #7

Its like being a cat trapped in the washing machine on spin cycle. The only hope for escape is a power failure and mercy of someone who is aware you are inside. Stuck in a job completely burned out, there is nothing worse than the realization of the futility in any struggle to either escape or improve. The knowledge that your output has dropped, the feeling that it's your fault combined with nobody interested in help…

Sleep as long as you can.

Respectfully, mental health is way more complex than that.

Psychologists have to study for 15+ years...

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#23

Post by pbhjpbhj »

kaybe wrote: post #14
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #2

Been in this case a couple jobs; both MSP jobs naturally. When you're burnt out you just don't see it. In both of my previous jobs the burnout also had a boss who was consistently micromanaging and saying you aren't working hard enough. This is one of the weaknesses of government. A fundamental law that governments should have is that your employer cannot harm your health. Even in mental cases like burnout, the emplo…

> A fundamental law that governments should have is that your employer cannot harm your health. A small note: Germany does have a law like this. (I cannot find anything about it in English though.) https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Pretty sure the Health & Safety at Work Act (UK) [1] meets this requirement. There's various common law things related to duty of care and negligence that probably apply less specifically too.

I'd really expect every democratic country to have some form of law requiring employers take care of their employees -- they should expect to do something in return for leeching off ones production of value.

[1] https://www.hse.gov.uk/legislation/hswa.htm

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#25

Post by echelon »

I just want a no-pay sabbatical. Three months, total reset of energy levels.

We should all have that option.

I would take a lot less money (-$50k or more) if I got to take a quarter off every year.

Four day work weeks would be another compelling alternative. Two days a week are not enough time to get chores done. There's no time for relaxing.

If I ever create a company, I'd love to offer these options.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#27

Post by nprz »

echelon wrote: post #25

I just want a no-pay sabbatical. Three months, total reset of energy levels. We should all have that option. I would take a lot less money (-$50k or more) if I got to take a quarter off every year. Four day work weeks would be another compelling alternative. Two days a week are not enough time to get chores done. There's no time for relaxing. If I ever create a company, I'd love to offer these options.

I was laid off near the tail end of a very stressful, deadline driven project and it actually came as a huge relief. Luckily I had money saved and took my time (about 3 months) looking for the next job. Was also given 2 months severance, so I didn't even end up losing much income. By end of my time off I was getting bored and happy to be working on something new. Highly recommended.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#28

Post by rychco »

echelon wrote: post #24
giantg2 wrote: post #20

I have to support my family somehow. Who cares if that means I'm burnt out.

A lot of millennials will never have families because of this.

Myself and most of my millennial peers feel this way exactly.

Some are still hopeful that they'll own a home & raise a large family like their parents and grandparents did, but the rest of us aren't so sure.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

#30

Post by UseStrict »

rychco wrote: post #28
echelon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of millennials will never have families because of this.

Myself and most of my millennial peers feel this way exactly. Some are still hopeful that they'll own a home & raise a large family like their parents and grandparents did, but the rest of us aren't so sure.

Millennial peer, I feel like it's been a treadmill, forever running but no progress. Living in first in Ottawa then Toronto, I watched affordability of housing slip from attainable in 3-5 years after graduating to virtually impossible without being extremely house poor. That's excluding the crazy high cost of living in general, and the feeling like employers are working to crush an ever-increasing amount of time out of employees. Why bring a kid into this prison? So they can work harder and fall even further behind than I am?
Post reply on HN