What would it take to replace Twitter and Facebook?
Twitter already has a replacement https://gab.com/
Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
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Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
#22Among 30 news organisations in the United States, none of them were trusted by more than 50% of Americans according to Pew Research. [1] This indicates the dramatic damage done to news organisations when they have been caught in egregious lies and falsehoods, again and again. Remember, when Twitter cites "official sources", it doesn't mean it's correct, or even that it's not totally fabricated. It means it's probably…
> enormous bias and propensity for lies
So based on your citations, "enormous" is roughly a handful between the thirty of them over the last decade?
Get some perspective, do you actually think the WaPo literally made up a story or do you think they (let's be uncharitable) ran with a story they should've done more due diligence on?
Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
#23Who defines "misinformation"? The mainstream media? "If the news are fake imagine history". People need to understand that NO ONE can define what is "misinformation" because all sides have incentives to lie. This is purely thought policing.
Ok firstly, it's policing speech, not thought. Secondly, it's not policing it, it's basically putting a speed-bump. Thirdly, Twitter defines misinformation -it's their platform, they get to make that call.
Also, people talk about "Fake news" from mainstream media, but actually, the examples of the mainstream media reporting literally incorreect information is pretty rare, and has real world consequences when it happens.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also I must say it's ironic that on a site with a bunch of programmers you still get downvoted for posting the fact that the media lies and that you cannot do anything other than laugh when the media decides to become "disinfo fact checkers". Do people really believe that when a company says "we will become independent fact checkers" that that is even possible? Did you learn nothing from your past experiences of what…
I'm pretty sure no one here thinks what you proposed. The issue is that those protesting are also claiming to have the objective truth when most likely their "truth" is even further removed from the object truth than the mainstream media's is.
I don't accept the premise that we are qualified to judge the veracity of another man's truth. Nor do all those who protest fit within your generalization of assuming to have an exclusive license on objective truth. There's a fair amount of people who simply like to bounce ideas around and have a discussion.
Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
#25Among 30 news organisations in the United States, none of them were trusted by more than 50% of Americans according to Pew Research. [1] This indicates the dramatic damage done to news organisations when they have been caught in egregious lies and falsehoods, again and again. Remember, when Twitter cites "official sources", it doesn't mean it's correct, or even that it's not totally fabricated. It means it's probably…
> enormous bias and propensity for lies So based on your citations, "enormous" is roughly a handful between the thirty of them over the last decade? Get some perspective, do you actually think the WaPo literally made up a story or do you think they (let's be uncharitable) ran with a story they should've done more due diligence on?
There's no difference between incompetence and malice when the stakes are war. In any case, it indicates they are not fit to moderate discourse.
It's easy to see how a false story about a serious attack on US infrastructure could spark confrontation, or even more serious war (much like when NYT fabricated evidence that WMDs existed in Iraq).
Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
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#27Sounds good to me. Twitter is not really slowing down the like action, but it will say to you only “hey, this may be a fake news, are you sure you want like it?”. People are stupid, in a perfect world this is useless but we live here...
Ironicaly you missed the most important point: who decides what is fake news? You still don't get it that _NO ONE_ can claim they know what is/is not fake news because everyone has their own incentives.
You still don't get it that _NO ONE_ can claim they know what is/is not fake news because everyone has their own incentives.
This is precisely why it's important that Twitter calls out when things are stated as fact without evidence. Twitter never actually say things are fake; they say things are baseless and without evidence. If you want to post things that are influential you simply need to back that claim up with something that people can verify from a trustworthy source - 'fake news' will still be posted because sometimes even a trusted source gets it wrong, but it'll happen far less often. That's the goal.
Suggesting that we should all adopt Nietzsche's perspectivist approach where "there are no facts, only interpretations" is entirely unhelpful. You can't run a functioning society if you have to accept literally every batshit mental theory as "well it might be right, we can't ever know for sure". If there is no evidence, you can say something is fake. You just have to accept that maybe 0.1% of the time you'll be wrong.
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#28What would it take to replace Twitter and Facebook?
Twitter already has a replacement https://gab.com/
First paragraph on Wikipedia, in case anyone seriously considers it:
> Gab is an English-language alt-tech social networking service known for its far-right userbase.[7] The site has been widely described as a safe haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right, and has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social networks.[8][9][19] Gab states that it promotes free speech and individual liberty, although these statements have been criticized as being a shield for its alt-right ecosystem.[20][17][21] Antisemitism is a prominent part of the site's content, and the company itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary on Twitter.[23][24][25] Researchers have written that Gab has been "repeatedly linked to radicalization leading to real-world violent events".[26]
It's almost like there's a pattern of "free speech" alternatives turning into a cesspool.
Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
#29Among 30 news organisations in the United States, none of them were trusted by more than 50% of Americans according to Pew Research. [1] This indicates the dramatic damage done to news organisations when they have been caught in egregious lies and falsehoods, again and again. Remember, when Twitter cites "official sources", it doesn't mean it's correct, or even that it's not totally fabricated. It means it's probably…
> This indicates the dramatic damage done to news organisations when they have been caught in egregious lies and falsehoods
No, it mostly reflects the rise of ideological tribalism supported by media outlets.
Re: Twitter may slow down users’ ability to ‘like’ tweets containing misinformation
#30I’ll just point out: if you’re a free speech purist, you are perfectly OK with this.
Twitter isn’t removing these tweets, just adding their own messages. That is, they are responding to free speech with their own free speech.
If they use this feature on high-profile figures it’s even better: free speech to authority.