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Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Why is Pfizer always mentioned in the news when it is BioNTech and Pfizer is "just" a partner? Just as the Chinese drugmaker Fosun is. Sure credit goes to both but this "Dream Team" is BioNTech.

Similar to the reason why most small biotechs don’t get credit when a big pharma company launches their drug - coming up with a drug candidate is critical and really hard, but it gets you about 1/3rd of the way to the market (at least as measured by dollars). Taking it through clinical trials, regulatory approval and manufacturing is a complex (and massively expensive) process that requires expertise typically only big pharma has (not to say smaller company don't roll their own, they do, but they are often slower and sometimes stumble).

And this is to not downplay BioNTech's role. Proving that your idea works in biotech takes some massive cohones. No doubt they took a ton of shit on their way to this point.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that it should be mentioned in the media in general, not specifically here on HN.

Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Attaching this information to good news is done less frequently but would be required to paint a more realistic picture.

That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Attaching this information to good news is done less frequently but would be required to paint a more realistic picture.

That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.

Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them (https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin...).

A very sad day for our society.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Attaching this information to good news is done less frequently but would be required to paint a more realistic picture.

That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.

Not personal information, but country of birth or nationality.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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post #10

The headquarter of their company is only 10 miles from my home, in a university town, full of young people. So blessed that maybe a part of the solution to this crisis comes from "my" region.

I was born in Mainz, and lived there for 30 years! Beautiful city, if anybody is in the area, come visit (but don't go to the "Ebsch Seit"=Wiesbaden :) The university has a particle accelerator (MAMI), they do tours!

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

#27
post #20
post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

I'm so proud of this as a turk living in EU.

I'm so proud of this as a German and Mainzer!

Edit: To be clear: I am proud that it was Turkish immigrant's children who did this, and that Germany made it possible for them to do it.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Great story, it’s not quite there yet; finalisation of the testing, and mass production to be done.

But with the huge financial and credibility boost I hope the team can follow their passion to solve other medical issues.

Quite an insight to switch from cancer therapy to COVID-19 vaccine, and quite the opportunity to be able to deploy 500 researchers onto it at such an early stage.

I hope this bolsters their original search for cancer treatment.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

#29
post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

The fact you're downvoted to grey saddens me. For heaven's sake this is a tech forum and especially us techies should very well know that immigration and open exchange of people and ideas is the key to success.

Occasionally I wish I could take some karma and use it to upvote other comments - this is one of those occasions.

Edit: I would upvote parent comment as well as grandparent.

Edit: I think it would be fair to this at some kind of ratio (e.g. spend 10 karma to for each upvote or something).

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.

Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them ( https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin... ). A very sad day for our society.

Indeed.

Every time the AfD is mentioned, I have to remember this: https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html, and it makes it a little bit better.

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