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Not Everyone has to go to College

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Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

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First a bit of criticism - I don't like this way of presenting. 193 slides? Each with one sentence? This is borderline maddening and if this wasn't a topic I was interested in I wouldn't have made it even 30 slides in. A tl:dr would just tell you to skip to slide 160. Not only that but the parts about Skillshare itself are so disguised that I still don't have a firm grasp of why should I go there and what can I do th…

3 minutes have 180 seconds in them.

The point is it goes kind of fast.

I went through the slides and every one had content worth reading. The flow of it was good too.

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

#22
I wrote about this topic here: http://altdevblogaday.org/2011/04/14/the-difference-between-...

I think that it boils down to more than just sharing skill sets, but that is certainly a good start. I argue that primarily, people have to become autodidacts and learn from the wealth of free information that can be found on the internet and elsewhere.

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

#24
"College is expensive. Learn how to make cupcakes and knit sweaters instead". That's the message I get after visiting your site and watching the promo video on the "About" page.

Why should I pay $25 to spend 2 hours with a random person who may or may not be a competent teacher? You trash college a lot, but you don't do anything to inspire confidence in the Skillshare teachers or 'curriculum' (if there is any).

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

#25

I never even finished High School, and now I earn more/do less than my college degree holding co-workers. I have the advantage of being a programmer though, where skill is at least measurable to some degree and college education isn't as important. It's actually taboo, but we now assume that someone who graduated from college probably sucks but is willing to do boring tasks.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on what your feelings are on your own children's educations. Will you advise them to drop out of highschool and start working? Are you expecting them to go to university?

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

#26
to do well economically in the modern world, whether as an auto mechanic, computer engineer, reporter, nurse, etc. is: 1) solid writing skills, preferably in English 2) strong reading comprehension, preferably in English 3) Basic grasp of math up through and including statistics

so while you don't need college/university you absolutely need 1-3. I picked up #1 in university because i went to a lousy, impoverished high school. I mostly taught myself #2 and #3. A new learning community focused on narrow skill acquisition won't help students acquire 1-3.

Investing in basic education will fix these problems, both investing in teachers and in pushing kids to just fucking study and take learning seriously.

This article is the "High Cost of Low Teacher Salaries" http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/opinion/01eggers.html?_r=1... is much more relevant in my opinion.

best of luck w/ skillshare but please don't think it will teach calculus to people who can't add.

While mikekarnj has some interesting points about education and the obvious higher ed bubble, he is apparently unaware of education concept of "scaffolding" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructional_scaffolding

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

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I didn't finish my college degree after I got into programming professionally and I honestly am disappointed I didn't. I can write software but I feel a lot of times I know how things go together the way they do, but not the why. There are times when I wish I knew the theory behind things instead of just knowing the syntax. I think the takeaway is that unless you're going to a really expensive school for the alumni network, find a low price school with good teachers and go for the knowledge. The degree at the end is a nice bonus but having that theory to back up your practice will take you to the next level.

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

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post #25

I never even finished High School, and now I earn more/do less than my college degree holding co-workers. I have the advantage of being a programmer though, where skill is at least measurable to some degree and college education isn't as important. It's actually taboo, but we now assume that someone who graduated from college probably sucks but is willing to do boring tasks.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on what your feelings are on your own children's educations. Will you advise them to drop out of highschool and start working? Are you expecting them to go to university?

I'll take a shot at this. High school drop out, quickly got a GED at 18, never went to UNI, 6 years later making a mid six figure salary as a programmer. Have 2 year old kid.

While I make a good salary and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life (particularly because on of my present motivations is to start a company of my own), the driving factor behind my success has been my upbringing. I grew up in a shattered immigrant family. We never had enough money. It was gigantic source of stress for me. Constant fights between parents, moving at least once every two years, always made fun of for the way I dressed and carried myself. Never really had any friends.

My only recourse at the time was to fall into petty criminal activity and associating myself with hoods. "Lucky" for me, the constant moving due to being broke prevented me from creating any long lasting relationships with scum.

Eventually I found myself living in a small town far away from where I grew up. No friends. No skills. Too scared/smart to do anything illegal.

I spent the entirety of my time over the course of 4 years learning software development. I took on side projects that I was way under qualified for and learned as I went. My only motivation was money so we could eat. This was my college education. I didn't spend any time enjoying myself (other than playing video games between working). I worked for 12-16 hours per day, 7 days a week, no exaggeration.

The side effects of this? I still don't have any friends (most people made them in uni or carried them over from high school). While I do have interests and several personal hobbies, I don't do anything particularly well other than my work. The overwork of those 4 years became a part of my personality. All I do is work. Actually, it's Sunday and I'm working in a coffee shop right now. Yesterday I spent the beginning part of my day with my kid, then after noon I worked until 9pm. I'm not complaining or whining; I'm actively working on fixing the things that were broken due to my early life experience. In ~5 years I expect to restore a sense of normality to my life, but I'll never stop working like a maniac :)

The reason I told you this story is to emphasize how important it is to have a drive. It doesn't matter what your driving factor is. Could get getting laid. Could be money. Could be fame. Could a fear of being broke. Could be a fear of failure.

I don't expect my son to relive my life because he has a stable home with 2 loving parents. Instead, I will rigorously push the status quo. He must get good grades. He must go to university. Then I'll see how he handles it and make changes according to what I believe is good for him.

If he fails miserably at school, I'll try to understand why. Is it because he's an idiot, that is, mentally incapable of doing the work? Then I'll be happy if he becomes an auto mechanic and doesn't fall into drugs/crime. Is it because he isn't challenged enough and doesn't like school? That's fine, but he will be responsible for supporting himself the minute he believes he's an adult.

So all in all, I don't care if my kid goes to uni. I don't care if he does. What I care about is him having the motivation, drive, and passion to do something productive and contribute to society.

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

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post #25

I never even finished High School, and now I earn more/do less than my college degree holding co-workers. I have the advantage of being a programmer though, where skill is at least measurable to some degree and college education isn't as important. It's actually taboo, but we now assume that someone who graduated from college probably sucks but is willing to do boring tasks.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on what your feelings are on your own children's educations. Will you advise them to drop out of highschool and start working? Are you expecting them to go to university?

Forgot to mention something. One of the other side effects of not going to university is that I wasn't exposed to the "pop culture of education" as I call it. That is to say, I wasn't exposed to common classical literary works, authors, composers, music, etc.

Often times I find myself in the middle of a conversation about greek philosophy with some coworkers, for example. Mind you none of these people are anywhere expert level in these topics but they all have an introductory set of knowledge to draw from. I have nothing. Luckily, my parents (as crazy as they were) were HIGHLY intellectual and infused some knowledge in stubborn brain. When I was a kid, my mom FORCED me to spend 1 hour per day reading classic literature. Damn I hated that. So now when people bring up War and Peace, I'm like, "Yea I read that" (whoo)

Anyway, point is there are side effects that are usually untold.

Re: Not Everyone has to go to College

#30

I didn't finish my college degree after I got into programming professionally and I honestly am disappointed I didn't. I can write software but I feel a lot of times I know how things go together the way they do, but not the why. There are times when I wish I knew the theory behind things instead of just knowing the syntax. I think the takeaway is that unless you're going to a really expensive school for the alumni n…

CS is one of the fields where you really can get a good education outside the traditional system. I feel like I did. Don't let anyone tell you that these things are scary and hard, and you need a university to guide you.

I hear MIT's OCW is quite good now, though I haven't used it much myself. Might be a good place to start. Honestly, there are many great resources out there; just pick something and get started.

Cheap schools are a good idea, and I completely agree with that. But it can be hard to work and learn on a schedule; many people would do much better if they are able to learn at their own pace.

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