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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by alkonaut »

scrollaway wrote: post #6
camgunz wrote: post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

First step is finding a way to educate the mainstream (including politicians) on the dangers of master keys and backdoors. It is too easy for many politicians and security agencies to think that their master keys and backdoors won't ever fall into the wrong hands, that they're careful, etc. And if you point out the problem, they'll tell you they'll be even more careful. Think about it from a non-techie perspective. I…

E2E encryption is scary. I'm also in the "you can't ban math, why try" camp. But I can't see authorities/politicians give up the idea of getting access to decrypted communications after court orders, in a 100 years, even if everyone completely understood the topic. It's just not happening.

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Post by intricatedetail »

The EU is slowly starting to show their true face. We probably have left at the last minute. I personally think this is an attempted assault on human rights and such ideas should be nipped in a bud and people proposing that banned from any office. My blood boils.

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Post by intricatedetail »

dalu wrote: post #16

This shows that the attack was planned by the powers that be, if not planned at least not actively blocked. It was 1 guy with a weapon that the Austrian secret service was warned about. The media made it 6 people doing a huge thing, in the end it was just 1 guy with an AK47 apparently. Austrian intelligence was warned by the Slovaks about him and they let him do regardless. Just like the 9/11 stuff, they knew what wa…

Once the EU starts controlling all communication it is game over. It will be worse than China.

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Post by textgel »

yogthos wrote: post #5

I was told that this only happens in authoritarian regimes like China. Turns out that while everybody was talking about China exact same things were happening here in the West. It's as if the whole focus on China was specifically designed to distract people from what's happening in their own countries.

What concerns me is that with the increase in arguably totalitarian laws and the constant attempts on once sacrosanct principles like the above we're moving in a direction where we'll run out of room to point at that side and say "yes they've got X but I'd still rather us because they have Y" when more and more we have Y as well.

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Post by cle »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18
camgunz wrote: post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

It pretty much is, section 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. I mean wearing my programmer goggles it doesn't state privacy AND correspondence but OR, but sti…

The problem is that you can’t leave any room for interpretation, because governments generally interpret things as liberally as they can in their favor, to the brink of absurdity.

In other words, “encryption” needs to be listed there as a right, to remove any room for interpretation. Or explicitly listed as an example of a more general right, like the right to private speech (or whatever you want to call it).

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Post by raverbashing »

So before discussing this I suggest people read the article because the title is misleading

This is (from what I understand) not about a blanket ban on encryption, but the possibility to allow wiretapping on certain E2E comms.

Also relevant is this recent decision by the ECJ https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/ecj-limits-government-spying...

(Naturally this is worrying and I think the main issue with security lies on lack of border control and liberal asylum policies, but that's MHO)

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Post by SkyMarshal »

BuildTheRobots wrote: post #17
camgunz wrote: post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

> Article 8: Right to privacy - Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence. - There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention…

Good find, but it has enough caveats and loopholes to render it useless.

Prevention of not just crime, but also disorder? The economic well-being of the country? Protection of health or morals?

I suppose it's better to pay lip service to Right to Privacy, instead of completely ignoring it altogether. But this is not a human right.

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