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Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Iceland has done relatively well from what I've read.

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Australia.

After a (relatively) small second wave spike in one of the states (Victoria) which is now under control, there are very few cases of community transmission.

It’s the result of a combination of: controlled island borders, unpopular but effective internal hard borders between some states, mandatory managed hotel quarantine for inbound passengers, well-executed contact tracing by health departments, broad access to PCR testing now returning results usually within 12-24 hours, and a population that’s been surprising willing to “take one for the team” and go into lockdowns and wear masks when needed.

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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post #18

Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Iceland has done relatively well from what I've read.

Iceland is a remote island of 300k people with very low density. Giving it as an example is disingenuous.

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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post #18

Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Iceland has done relatively well from what I've read.

Notably, and obviously, all 3 examples mentioned in this thread are islands (NZ, Aus, and Iceland). That seems like more than coincidence.

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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post #18

Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Japan and Canada seem to have done relatively well, as have the Nordic countries (perhaps with the exception of Sweden which is TBD). The Baltic nations have done reasonably well too. Looking outside of Europe and the OECD, African democracies like Rawanda have kept the virus in check without draconian measures.

Having good or at least recently tested public health infrastructure and lucking into a good head of state/governing coalition seems to be key.

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Iceland has done relatively well from what I've read.

Notably, and obviously, all 3 examples mentioned in this thread are islands (NZ, Aus, and Iceland). That seems like more than coincidence.

The ability to limit spread by controlling your border has been a factor, and that’s certainly easier for island nations.

But it’s not the only factor: well-managed healthcare systems, clear government policy and action, and public support for controls are also important.

e.g.

- Vietnam: landlocked, populous, excellent internal response: just over 1000 cases and 35 deaths; approx. 60 active cases currently

- UK + Ireland: quite frankly a bit of a mess

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Things are going really badly Covid-wise throughout Europe right now, and there doesn't seem to be a plausible path to stopping it. Even lockdowns are increasingly politically and socially non-viable. I suspect it might not be obvious over in the US because the press only seems to run comparisons which make the US look like a unique failure due to Trump for election-related reasons. (Seriously. It was amazing watching, for example, the New York Times switch from downplaying the severity of Spain's outbreak compared to Florida to ignoring it to turning the country's politics into a Trump analogue once the disaster became undeniable - and if I recall correctly this was ostensibly news, not editorial. France looks like it could potentially end up reporting more cases than the entire US in the not-so-distant future, and I don't know how the press will cope with that.)

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notably, and obviously, all 3 examples mentioned in this thread are islands (NZ, Aus, and Iceland). That seems like more than coincidence.

The ability to limit spread by controlling your border has been a factor, and that’s certainly easier for island nations. But it’s not the only factor: well-managed healthcare systems, clear government policy and action, and public support for controls are also important. e.g. - Vietnam: landlocked, populous, excellent internal response: just over 1000 cases and 35 deaths; approx. 60 active cases currently - UK + Ire…

*Vietnam not landlocked; but in the middle of a very populous region

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Trump gets most of the attention, but this whole pandemic has laid plain how liberal republics have been hollowed out by neoliberalism over the past few decades. The capability for broad, fast, collective action has been all-but wiped out, even in the supposedly enlightened and well-run countries of Western Europe. The nations that defeated fascism are crippled by a far weaker threat. I can't think of another liberal…

Japan and Canada seem to have done relatively well, as have the Nordic countries (perhaps with the exception of Sweden which is TBD). The Baltic nations have done reasonably well too. Looking outside of Europe and the OECD, African democracies like Rawanda have kept the virus in check without draconian measures. Having good or at least recently tested public health infrastructure and lucking into a good head of state…

Japan/Korea are not as liberal as US/western europe though. And danemark/norway/sweden/finland or the baltic countries in general are more socialist that enven France, really.

Re: Covid: Belgian doctors with coronavirus asked to keep working

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Belgian here, the covid situation is being handled very poorly. The rules change frequently and are badly communicated, the three main regions (Brussels, Flanders and Wallonia) all have different set of rules and information is contradicting. E.g Flanders: Schools are not a problem vs Wallonia: Schools are a problem. It's frustrating to see.

Medical personnel that are sick but symptomless were allowed to work for a while now.BBC is at its best, conflating the perilous situation in Liège with a clickbait title.
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