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Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by me_me_me »

sudhirj wrote: post #7
fmitchell0 wrote: post #3

The dark forest theory lives!

Unfortunately, yes. The first thing we’re going to do as soon as we fine intelligent alien life is figure out how to kill it. And sadly we’ll have to assume they’re doing the same. An no, settling Mars won’t help. If someone / something can launch an interstellar attack it can certainly attack more than one planet and moon.

Are we though?

Universe is huge. Wars on earth are waged over scares resources. If we are capable of reaching aliens would we really be incentivized to fight them while there are so many resources available elsewhere?

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Post by vmception »

buran77 wrote: post #20
INTPenis wrote: post #2

What's staggering to me is that with the new Voyager discoveries lately it feels like we're a bunch of stellar savages who just managed to release a buoy far enough into the ocean to feel the currents. Let alone recognize another savage on a different continent who might be doing the same experiment.

It may be even worse, that different continent is on a different planet. Space(time) is absolutely, mind-boggling massive. Everyone knows it's big but it hard to comprehend how big and why there could be many alien civilizations out there capable of broadcasting or detecting but never intersect in any way because the detection windows of any 2 civilizations don't line up. The Milky Way alone is ~150000-200000 light y…

The fermi paradox does convey this.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by me_me_me »

onion2k wrote: post #11
skinney6 wrote: post #5

#spaceforce

It's safe to assume that any aliens who travel to our solar system will be so much more advanced than us that there's literally nothing we could do to repel them if they were aggressors. We can only hope they're friendly.

Ants are preparing to stop a potential highway construction.

They even organized an #antforce

Jokes aside, I would say we would be lucky if we were consider as a factor in decision making when a nearby alien fleet needed say 'some' water.

Collectively 'we' are laughing at the conservationists when they try to protect a beetle habitat when a new road/housing project is being built. Who cares about beetles, I want to get from A to B quicker! Lets hope aliens have slightly stronger conservationist lobby that might lobby to preserve us when a this new proverbial alien road goes through our planet.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by vmception »

hexo wrote: post #14

Is this worth disabling adblocker, pretty please? :(

No, it is pretty horrible of a browsing experience with adblock turned off, a video pops up in the lower right, a gigantic banner pops up - for me it was Oculus Quest 2 purchasable at Best Buy - there was no question presented to me about Cookies as I am in California so that was strange, and now the data brokers have my whole profile yet again.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by prox »

Pulcinella wrote: post #17
sudhirj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, yes. The first thing we’re going to do as soon as we fine intelligent alien life is figure out how to kill it. And sadly we’ll have to assume they’re doing the same. An no, settling Mars won’t help. If someone / something can launch an interstellar attack it can certainly attack more than one planet and moon.

I have a far more charitable theory. The vast majority of human and alien life would want to be friends (or at least just leave their neighbors alone). It’s the elites who desire to destroy each other. I also have a less charitable theory: intelligent life just doesn’t exist. A thousand years from now we will have met dozens of sentient species, but the search for intelligent life continues :P

It’s also about how you define intelligence:

>“For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.”

― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by ThalesX »

me_me_me wrote: post #21
sudhirj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, yes. The first thing we’re going to do as soon as we fine intelligent alien life is figure out how to kill it. And sadly we’ll have to assume they’re doing the same. An no, settling Mars won’t help. If someone / something can launch an interstellar attack it can certainly attack more than one planet and moon.

Are we though? Universe is huge. Wars on earth are waged over scares resources. If we are capable of reaching aliens would we really be incentivized to fight them while there are so many resources available elsewhere?

What if wars were waged for ideological reasons also? Beliefs, cultures etc.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by avian »

wolfram74 wrote: post #18
Razengan wrote: post #10

Can WE detect life on Earth from far away?

This very instant? I suspect not well. But conceptually? Yes. If we made a space based telescope that could do IR-visible-UV spectroscopy with decent resolution/sensitivity we would be able to get some information about the chemical make up of the gasses on planets transiting their stars. Much like the kerfluffle about phosphine on Venus, there are some compounds you just wouldn't expect from strictly geologic proces…

My hypothesis is that, if given a (simulated) spectroscopical observation of Earth's atmosphere from a distance, astrophysicists would come up with plausible non-biological, non-industrial explanations for it.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Post by BitwiseFool »

onion2k wrote: post #11
skinney6 wrote: post #5

#spaceforce

It's safe to assume that any aliens who travel to our solar system will be so much more advanced than us that there's literally nothing we could do to repel them if they were aggressors. We can only hope they're friendly.

We really need to accelerate our Spartan program.
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