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Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by sschueller » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:25 AM UTC

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

The day you reach perfection is the day you finish your project as in never...

PHP works (thought not perfect) lets me get things done.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by gonzo41 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:26 AM UTC

jonwinstanley wrote: post #14

cute_boi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but the php syntax is way too bad (like $ etc) in comparison to Java.

You can’t build websites with Java

Isn't Gmail built with Java and GWT? or was untill very recently?

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by rawoke083600 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:27 AM UTC

I'm just going to come out and say it, and say it proudly !

1) I love coding in PHP (I am a cs major)

2) I love riding scooters.

There - internet be damned !

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by kazinator » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:28 AM UTC

rawoke083600 wrote: post #23

I'm just going to come out and say it, and say it proudly ! 1) I love coding in PHP (I am a cs major) 2) I love riding scooters. There - internet be damned !

1) I love coding in PHP (I am a cs major)

2) I love riding scooters (I am a cs major)

FTFY

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by awestroke » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:28 AM UTC

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

I have worked with PHP for years, and I agree completely. I think the people who defend PHP either have too much invested in it, or they have never gotten productive in a saner language. Or both.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by 0xy » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:31 AM UTC

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

This is such a shallow elitist comment. A lot of the common criticisms levied at PHP have been corrected years ago, and PHP is responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars of turnover globally.

Of the top 10 websites in the world, PHP is partially or wholly powering more than half of them. Wikipedia, Wordpress, online retail.

I have personally created 6 figures of value because I could quickly dump some PHP scripts on a VPS server and start doing business.

My employer makes billions with PHP. It's not perfect, but it's rock solid for gigantic businesses.

Sure you can build yourself perfect shiny web services using modern bleeding edge languages, meanwhile businesses using PHP for decades are innovating and printing money daily.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by throw_m239339 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:33 AM UTC

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

Well it's still broken because the broken stuff was never removed, PHP just added new some stuff on top of it. Typing is neat though, but no generics, no private classes/packages so you get the worst of Java "enterprise" OO on top of some dubious language foundations.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by spiderfarmer » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:34 AM UTC

awestroke wrote: post #25

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

I have worked with PHP for years, and I agree completely. I think the people who defend PHP either have too much invested in it, or they have never gotten productive in a saner language. Or both.

The people who invested "too much" in it don't have to defend it. They'll simply continue using it. They'll enjoy the new functionality. If I make millions upon millions of revenue with a PHP application, I don't care if tech nerds dislike the syntax used to build it.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by simion314 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:34 AM UTC

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

Most of the bugs or spaghetti code I have to fix this days are not caused by the language, the issue is most of the time the requirements that changed or the developer was not experienced with that certain problem so he created a monster.

Re: PHP 8: Before and After

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Post by throw_m239339 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:36 AM UTC

0xy wrote: post #26

pietrovismara wrote: post #15

Seriously, enough with PHP. Can we just let it die? I worked with PHP 5.6 years ago and I hated it. Recently I worked with PHP 7. Heard about all the work that's been done on it and I was kinda excited to try it. It's still so broken. It doesn't matter if they improve performance or add new cool features. PHP is broken in ways that can't be fixed without breaking compatibility. Fork it or put it out of its pain.

This is such a shallow elitist comment. A lot of the common criticisms levied at PHP have been corrected years ago, and PHP is responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars of turnover globally. Of the top 10 websites in the world, PHP is partially or wholly powering more than half of them. Wikipedia, Wordpress, online retail. I have personally created 6 figures of value because I could quickly dump some PHP script…

> This is such a shallow elitist comment. A lot of the common criticisms levied at PHP have been corrected years ago, and PHP is responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars of turnover globally.

So does Java, Python, C and C++. This is also a shallow argument. No language is perfect but PHP still suffer from the same design issues a 10/15 years ago, none of them have been correct and it's perfectly valid to point that out.

> My employer makes billions with PHP. It's not perfect, but it's rock solid for gigantic businesses.

And with C, since PHP is written in C and probably whatever fronts your PHP applications, and with Javascript because you sure ain't running PHP on the client and so on and so forth...