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Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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Opinions are divided concerning Garnett. I don't speak Russian but what I have read is that she does an excellent job translating the tone and meaning though there are mistakes and omissions (as you say). Many of the most famous Russian writers were highly influenced by Dickens and Trollope and she preserves that influence. Also, keep in mind that Russian literature gained its reputation in the English speaking world…

> she does an excellent job translating the tone and meaning I really can't agree with this. Her translation work was journeyman level at best. I've read most of her translations, and they simply do not convey the magical soul of Chekhov's prose very well. Nothing is going to replace reading it in the original language, but Pevear and Volokhonsky get far closer in my opinion. Constance Garnet's translations still sti…

All of Pevear and Volokhonsky's translations are stilted in a modernist kind of way. They read like experimental prose. I like experimental prose and I find P&V readable but I have a very hard time believing that Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Chekhov all wrote in the same stilted, modernist style.

As I said, the reputation that Russian literature has in the English speaking world is mostly due to Garnett's translations. If nothing else, her translations are beautiful.

From the linked article:

> What differentiates ­Chekhov from other story writers is his fineness of perception, his ability to discern the subtlest emotional shades, and his appreciation of “the elusive beauty” of human experience. In the story “Strong ­Impressions,” the hero learns “that the same word has thousands of shades of meaning according to the tone in which it is pronounced, and the form which is given to the sentence.” And that is why one should never read any translation by ­Richard Pevear and ­Larissa ­Volokhonsky. They translate literary masterpieces word by word, with no appreciation of what the author is trying to accomplish or what makes a great work extraordinary. If ­Pevear and ­Volokhonsky had done the King James Bible, Cain would have asked whether he was his fraternal sibling’s custodian. With Chekhov, their ­approach is especially unfortunate. He is all nuance, and they are all ­bluntness.

> Some fifty years ago, Ann ­Dunnigan did the best versions of Chekhov’s plays and of some of his stories. For the rest, the versions of Constance Garnett, all thirteen volumes of which were reprinted in 1986, remain, despite some lapses, impressive in their sensitivity to tone. I have cited their translations in this essay. Just as there is no point in reading a translation of a comic novel that loses the humor, so ­Chekhov can be appreciated in English only when a translator can catch the fine shades of his stories’ elusive beauty.

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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Pevear and Volokhonsky are unreadable. Choose any other translation for your Russian lit.

Here's an interesting blog post about P&Vs translation of War and Peace: https://www.tolstoytherapy.com/on-war-peace-my-problems-with...

I contains a couple of passages comparing P&V to the more 'readable' translation by Anthony Briggs. If nothing else it will give you a good example of their style and let you decide for yourself if they're something for you.

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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By coincidence, I started reading Chekhov's complete short story output[0] a few weeks ago. It is heavy going.

I have learned that 19th century Russia was filled entirely with snow, petty criminals, corrupt officials, more snow, bad vodka, old solders broken by war, horse thieves, racism, typhoid, and snow.

[0] http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57333

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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:-) Interesting to read many describe that feeling you get when you read Chekhov. A Russian friend once told me it is тоска (toska) - an unbearable, inescapable anguish - "Really you have to be Russian to understand it. toska is rent for being Russian. More Vodka?"

I don’t remember the exact quote, but I think it was Fr Seraphim Rose that said Russian people don’t know what the word “fun” is. They don’t understand “fun” as a general sense or feeling of ease / levity. I don’t know if this is accurate but I asked some Russians what they like to do for fun and they didn’t actually understand. They asked if I meant hobbies and said they only have fun when they go out to a club or s…

There is a section in 'In the First Circle' by Solzhenitsyn where two prisoners argue about the etymology of 'fun' in Russian. I don't remember the quote off the top of my head right now, but one prisoner posed that'fun is derived from the word for "temporary lack of worry"'. Of course, the other prisoner disagreed with him so I don't know if that etymology is actually correct.

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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I knew a translator who worked for the EU high commission as a live translator. I asked her about translating books: "Knowing two cultures and languages in such intimate detail that you can know a book and translate it in any meaningful way for the princely sum of ten thousand pounds...no". She compared it to poetry, you agonise over certain phrases and the thousands of years of history that phrase has and all its cu…

I see your point, but I don't think saying that "any translation is better than none" invalidates criticism of any specific translation. It's still possible for a translation to be better or worse than other translations.

Exactly. Any translation is better than none but a good translation can be better than a poor one.

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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:-) Interesting to read many describe that feeling you get when you read Chekhov. A Russian friend once told me it is тоска (toska) - an unbearable, inescapable anguish - "Really you have to be Russian to understand it. toska is rent for being Russian. More Vodka?"

I don’t remember the exact quote, but I think it was Fr Seraphim Rose that said Russian people don’t know what the word “fun” is. They don’t understand “fun” as a general sense or feeling of ease / levity. I don’t know if this is accurate but I asked some Russians what they like to do for fun and they didn’t actually understand. They asked if I meant hobbies and said they only have fun when they go out to a club or s…

Yes, we have "pleasure", "revelry", but not "fun".

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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Pevear and Volokhonsky are unreadable. Choose any other translation for your Russian lit.

On the contrary – I have read Crime and Punishment in both Russian and English. Where other translators eschew nuances for readability and "story," Pevear and Volokhonsky really try to somehow carry that nuance over across the cultural divide and preserve as much hidden meaning from the original as they can. Other English translations felt like books converted to be child's literature.

Perhaps your problem is less these translators, and more sufficiently complicated literature that needs some time to digest...

Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t remember the exact quote, but I think it was Fr Seraphim Rose that said Russian people don’t know what the word “fun” is. They don’t understand “fun” as a general sense or feeling of ease / levity. I don’t know if this is accurate but I asked some Russians what they like to do for fun and they didn’t actually understand. They asked if I meant hobbies and said they only have fun when they go out to a club or s…

Yes, we have "pleasure", "revelry", but not "fun".

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Re: No writer understood loneliness better than Chekhov

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By coincidence, I started reading Chekhov's complete short story output[0] a few weeks ago. It is heavy going. I have learned that 19th century Russia was filled entirely with snow, petty criminals, corrupt officials, more snow, bad vodka, old solders broken by war, horse thieves, racism, typhoid, and snow. [0] http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57333

Another source for e-books: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/anton-chekhov
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