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Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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This one was always a tricky one for me, trying to create an email to a bunch of people in a friendly manner without using 'hey guys.' It the phrase that feels the most natural to me when speaking to group of people. I personally have always views 'guys' as inclusive of anyone, but I get others may not. Professionally I have opted to use 'hey all' in 90% of situations because it's about as neutral as you can get. Doe…

> It the phrase that feels the most natural to me when speaking to group of people.

Dictionaries seem to agree: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/guy "used to address a group of people of either sex"

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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please... please stop. i really don't care for all this inclusive language crap and all it is is an attempt to shame people. if you get that easily offended by the way people talk you need to look deep at yourself and see what is the true reason for it. maybe you have deep down self trauma, anger issues or something else that needs to be sort out in therapy. btw... there is _nothing_ wrong in admitting that you have…

If you think inclusive language is an attempt to shame people, then YOU might have to look deep at yourself.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the point of inclusive language is so that people who identify as female or non-binary have less reason to be offended, and can generally feel more safe in an environment because less trigger words are used.

edit: I would also appreciate that the people downvoting me would comment as to why they think my post does not contribute to the discussion in a respectful manner?

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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post #16

He bury's the lede until the penultimate paragraph: > I built a Slack app to help. AllyBot will suggest inclusive alternatives to over 400 non-inclusive phrases to team members. https://allybot.io/#pricing

Not bad. If you can't beat them, join'em.

Given the idiocy of SocJus, you should squeeze every $ out of them.

How about gender neutral hosting, or racially conscious datalakes for a slight surcharge?

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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post #22

please... please stop. i really don't care for all this inclusive language crap and all it is is an attempt to shame people. if you get that easily offended by the way people talk you need to look deep at yourself and see what is the true reason for it. maybe you have deep down self trauma, anger issues or something else that needs to be sort out in therapy. btw... there is _nothing_ wrong in admitting that you have…

If you think inclusive language is an attempt to shame people, then YOU might have to look deep at yourself. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the point of inclusive language is so that people who identify as female or non-binary have less reason to be offended, and can generally feel more safe in an environment because less trigger words are used. edit: I would also appreciate that the people downvoting me would…

Saying "guys" in no way affects someone's safety. It's potentially rude maybe if someone showed displeasure with the phrase yet you persist, but no threat of harm comes from it.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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post #4

Hey everyone, OP here. I know this can be a somewhat controversial topic, so I'm keen to hear your perspectives on inclusive language and inclusion in general. Thanks for stumbling upon my post :)

"guy" comes from the ancient Roman names "Gaius" and "Gaia". Note carefully how the one name had two gendered forms since ancient Latin is gendered.

As a Lojban speaker, it is incredibly tiring to listen to English-only speakers whine about how gendered their language is. You want everybody to change how they talk, but still talk English; what a half-measure!

There is no such thing as a good person. Your misandry blinds you to this fact.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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I coached girls recreation basketball and found it weird (after a lifetime of playing basketball) to say "guard your man" or "find your man" etc. "guard your woman" and "guard your girl" also didn't "sound right" although that could be as a result of my bias.

When Star Trek first used "...where no one has gone before," it sounded very weird to me. Now it sounds right, and hearing the original series "...where no man has gone before" sounds weird.

Call it bias, call it familiarity, it's probably something like that.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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> What is often overlooked about Jordan Peterson’s views on the subject is that he is totally on board with using inclusive language in a private context. He just doesn’t want it to be legally enforced. This is an important distinction.

I much appreciate the author emphasizing this point, because I think it's crucial and often missed. It's perfectly fine for people to use language that they feel is more inclusive, but not so fine when they try to enforce the boundaries, particularly at the point of a gun, which all laws imply.

But I think that distinction should extend to non-legal "policing". If I say "guys" or "mankind" in a sense that is meant to be inclusive, but someone else interprets that as not inclusive, I don't feel responsible for their interpretation, any more than I would feel responsible for someone's misinterpretation of "niggardly". They can choose to be offended, but if that clearly was not my intent, I don't feel the need to accommodate them. I've found that some people have a desire, even a mission to feel offended, and don't feel that it helps either of us to tiptoe around their neurosis. Because of the seemingly infinite flexibility of their offense taking, I couldn't fail to offend no matter how much I tried, and I've learned that by trying and trying and trying.

If I say a phrase that has long meant "all of you", but you have now decided means "all of you males", then I don't think I'm responsible for your offense taking. I think you're responsible for purposely redefining the clear meaning to score some kind of points.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think inclusive language is an attempt to shame people, then YOU might have to look deep at yourself. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the point of inclusive language is so that people who identify as female or non-binary have less reason to be offended, and can generally feel more safe in an environment because less trigger words are used. edit: I would also appreciate that the people downvoting me would…

Saying "guys" in no way affects someone's safety. It's potentially rude maybe if someone showed displeasure with the phrase yet you persist, but no threat of harm comes from it.

Well that's easy for you to say. The whole point of political correctness is not to assume that no one can get offended, but to avoid certain types of speech which have either been proven to be offensive or where society has agreed upon that they might be offensive in some circumstances.

Re: Why I've stopped saying 'hey guys' (as a male in tech)

#30
I have no problem calling someone by their preferred gender term and including gender-neutral language. The problem I have is that there is an ever-growing, constantly-changing secret set of rules created, not as much to make people feel better, but in order to purposefully shame those who's viewpoints differ from the current political viewpoint that all human interaction is steeped in racism/sexism/bigotry.

The day after the Amy Coney Barrett used the term 'sexual preference,' Merriam-Webster Dictionary updated it to say it is offensive.

https://www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-preference-defini...

Are these rules really improving society or are they just being weaponized to impose a political doctrine?

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