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Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by jdc »

intc wrote: post #12

> It’s smart to avoid using wireless devices like mobile phones or GPS systems, since they have digital signatures... Could someone explain how a GPS receiver (especially one which doesn't utilize DGPS of any sorts) would have any sort of digital signature which could be measured from a drone?

Detection and Localization of Multiple R/C Electronic Devices Using Array Detectors[1]

Locating Noncooperative Radio Receivers Using Wideband Stimulated Emissions[2]

A Practical Superheterodyne-Receiver Detector Using Stimulated Emissions[3]

1. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6857348

2. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6329437

3. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5699393

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by doctorfoo »

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #19
asdff wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was such a disturbing video. These men controlling these weapons are just entirely dehumanized. After they mow down the journalists, an unarmed van appears to try and load up the wounded and take them to safety. Then they beg for clearance from command to blow up the van "Come on, let us shoot!" a direct quote; they literally beg to kill them. Then they get their clearance and just blow it all apart. War is trul…

There were two children inside the van. There needs to be harsh accountability for these professional murderous psychopaths.

Instead, those responsible for revealing it have spent considerable time, and still are, in jail.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by ohazi »

b112 wrote: post #10
squarefoot wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That video was taken from far distance because the drone had to operate unnoticed in enemy territory; pretty sure that they had much better optics and transmission capabilities even back then, but it had to be very far from action. The distance can be roughly measured, if the bullets speed is known, by counting the time between the shots audio (assuming it's properly synced) and when they're seen hitting the area. To…

One thing which bothers me is satellite imagery. In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. I often wonder, what if you had two distinct lenses, each with separate transmit? EG, both operating at once. Or multiple lenses? Now you could do things, potentially, such as use a high-fidelity lens to tag individuals. EG, license plates. Facial recognition. That sort of thing. Once tagged, anothe…

> In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit.

This is absolutely false.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by b112 »

ohazi wrote: post #24
b112 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing which bothers me is satellite imagery. In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. I often wonder, what if you had two distinct lenses, each with separate transmit? EG, both operating at once. Or multiple lenses? Now you could do things, potentially, such as use a high-fidelity lens to tag individuals. EG, license plates. Facial recognition. That sort of thing. Once tagged, anothe…

> In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. This is absolutely false.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/12/top-s...

It was also known by the likes of William Safire that our satellites could "read the license plates on the cars of Kremlin officials."

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If untrue, please provide a counter source to many of the like statements as cited above. (You may be right, but it seems that many believe you are wrong)

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by b112 »

b112 wrote: post #25
ohazi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. This is absolutely false.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/12/top-s... It was also known by the likes of William Safire that our satellites could "read the license plates on the cars of Kremlin officials." -- If untrue, please provide a counter source to many of the like statements as cited above. (You may be right, but it seems that many believe you are wrong)

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nugbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kFEE...

Under 'twenty questions', second column, end of column, under highlights "Big Bird" satellite.

Again, you may be right. However there are many claims that this capability existed in the 80s.

Suggest you research some of the satellites of the time, including ones which worked on film, and jettisoned rolls of it for terrestrial pickup.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by pfortuny »

intc wrote: post #12

> It’s smart to avoid using wireless devices like mobile phones or GPS systems, since they have digital signatures... Could someone explain how a GPS receiver (especially one which doesn't utilize DGPS of any sorts) would have any sort of digital signature which could be measured from a drone?

Any antenna is both a receiver and a sender, like a mic/speaker.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by 01100011 »

b112 wrote: post #10
squarefoot wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That video was taken from far distance because the drone had to operate unnoticed in enemy territory; pretty sure that they had much better optics and transmission capabilities even back then, but it had to be very far from action. The distance can be roughly measured, if the bullets speed is known, by counting the time between the shots audio (assuming it's properly synced) and when they're seen hitting the area. To…

One thing which bothers me is satellite imagery. In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. I often wonder, what if you had two distinct lenses, each with separate transmit? EG, both operating at once. Or multiple lenses? Now you could do things, potentially, such as use a high-fidelity lens to tag individuals. EG, license plates. Facial recognition. That sort of thing. Once tagged, anothe…

The future, imo, is sensor fusion. Cameras everywhere, in the sky and on the ground. Those cameras feed back to a large tracking system which is able to detect and track objects as they move between cameras.

This information can be crosschecked against cell phone location data and could flag anyone travelling without a phone, or with the wrong phone, for further scrutiny.

It sounds like paranoid delusions now, but I think it's what we're moving towards in 50 years or so after society has normalized mass surveillance.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

b112 wrote: post #10
squarefoot wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That video was taken from far distance because the drone had to operate unnoticed in enemy territory; pretty sure that they had much better optics and transmission capabilities even back then, but it had to be very far from action. The distance can be roughly measured, if the bullets speed is known, by counting the time between the shots audio (assuming it's properly synced) and when they're seen hitting the area. To…

One thing which bothers me is satellite imagery. In the 80s, 30+ years ago, license plates were discernible from orbit. I often wonder, what if you had two distinct lenses, each with separate transmit? EG, both operating at once. Or multiple lenses? Now you could do things, potentially, such as use a high-fidelity lens to tag individuals. EG, license plates. Facial recognition. That sort of thing. Once tagged, anothe…

Here is a BAE camera system that can track all cars in a large area:

https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product/airborne-widearea-p...

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by names_are_hard »

asdff wrote: post #13
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #5

For reference here is footage from an apache gun killing a civilian reporter in Baghdad in 2007: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AColla... So I'm fairly certain this is what most drone operators will see on the screen. This video is over 13 years old though, so current optics are probably much more advanced than what was deployed in iraq. Near-future drones can also probably use 5G networks to t…

That was such a disturbing video. These men controlling these weapons are just entirely dehumanized. After they mow down the journalists, an unarmed van appears to try and load up the wounded and take them to safety. Then they beg for clearance from command to blow up the van "Come on, let us shoot!" a direct quote; they literally beg to kill them. Then they get their clearance and just blow it all apart. War is trul…

Agreed. To me the most disturbing part of the video is how the soldiers have become distended and desensitized from killing. They talk as if they are playing a video game.
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