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Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Wow, where are the parents? I mean bad parents here and there I expect, but enough to fuel an international industry is a surprise...

> where are the parents? Sometimes the kids hide the abuse from their parents.

And I imagine some parents push their children into these situations because they want their children to "succeed".

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Would raising the minimum age for Olympics and other high-level competition for women to 18 or 20 help?

I would think so. Part of the problem here is that they're trying to get these girls to win before puberty changes their body, which puts enormous time pressure on the training. If they're only allowed to compete from 18, all of those issues drop away.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As pointed out in the article, 14- to 16-year-old girls often win gymnastics championships (and in fact nobody over the age of 20 has won the olympic all-around since 1972), whereas no man under the age of 20 has ever won an olympic all-around. Being a grown adult is a huge advantage in men's gymnastics and a massive disadvantage in women's. (I have a kid of each gender in local gymnastics programs and I have to care…

I'm the same. My son struggled with his motor skills when he was little so we got him interested in gymnastics and he loves it and it's really helped. I'd like to do the same for my daughter when she's old enough but I'd hope she doesn't want go into competition. She also likes dance so that might be a better option.

FYI, Dance can have similar problems. I’m convinced a world reknowned ballet school had a major negative psychological effect on someone I know. Not sure how common that is in lesser schools, but something to be mindful of.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody strength, women are all about flexibility and elegance. They're basically completely different sports, which I guess goes a long way to explain why athletes peak at totally different ages.

What if a female gymnast wants to do the horizontal bar or other "male" events? And even when they do have the same event in name, like the floor, they're still different for unnecessary reasons. For example, women have music, men don't. Why?

Obviously there are biological reasons why women aren't as strong, maybe it's unreasonable to expect women to do a heavy event like the rings, but most events could be equally accessible to everybody. But the sport itself forces athletes into very gender-specific roles. I can't help but wonder if unifying the sport may help to reduce this kind of abuse as well.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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It has nothing todo with gymanstics or womens, it's the whole highend sport at a young age, same with Ballet, Icehockey, Tennis, Cycling and playing piano. It should be banned and the parents and the coach punished. And ask you for what? Just for having a goldmedal for your goddamn country.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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post #5

It seems like a good first step would be to set the minimum age to compete at world championships or the olympics at 16 or 17 or maybe even 20. Then delaying puberty wouldn't be a thing because everyone will have passed it.

There have been multiple accusations of age falsification. If winning simply becomes a matter of faking a passport, several countries would be happy to do so.

They could disqualify entire countries if that happens. But it would also help to change the events and the scoring so it doesn't encourage underage abuse. Man apparently need to be a lot older to compete. How about mixing the events a bit more so women compete on the same grounds as men? I find it really weird that men's and women's gymnastics are basically completely different sports.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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Wow, where are the parents? I mean bad parents here and there I expect, but enough to fuel an international industry is a surprise...

When my daughter came to me in tears and complained coach is yelling at her, I explained this is a good thing. This means coach is looking at her and is trying to correct her mistakes.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

>how inherently sexist it is

Let's talk about Beachvolleyball too.

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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post #28
post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

>how inherently sexist it is Let's talk about Beachvolleyball too.

What is the difference between the male and female version?

Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse

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post #24

One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…

Men in general don't like to perform to music, or see no need for it, as you say "biologicaly".

Women on the other hand like it, "biologicaly" as you say.

Why is it wrong to have different events for men and women?

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