I'm a developer in Stockholm, Sweden. Making around $72-75K a year. Pretty average salary around here, I think?
Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
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Re: Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
#22I can concur that the pay sucks in France - ludicrously low compared to Australian rates (like, half!) and it's not like living expenses are lower, that's for sure. If you're only in it for the dollars, then avoid! However, bonuses are (at least for me) much much lower working hours. Which means plenty of time for side projects.
I second this. "If you're only in it for the dollars, then avoid!"
The usual employe is expected to take all of his 6 weeks (in Germany the minimum is 4 but 6 is standard, in France I think its 8 weeks) of vacation even though there are lots of federal holidays and And yes French food is expensive. But com'on its French food!
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#23Heise, an IT publisher in Germany does regular surveys of IT salaries. See http://www.heise.de/jobs/artikel/Wer-verdient-wie-viel-98184...
Yeah, the German slashdot. Highly recommended if you want to get in touch with German IT - but don't expect to much ;-)
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#24Working as experienced contractor in Belgium you can make between 500 and 650 euro's per day. Less experienced can go from 350 until 500 euro's per day. As a foreigner working in Belgium and you incorporate in a tax beneficial country you make a decent wage. If you are going to work as a salaried employee you will take a lot less. So contracting work can be more lucrative.
are you doing this? Whats your recommendation as for a country to incorporate in?
I'm a Belgian working in Belgium. So my only option is to pay Belgian Taxes. But with my incorporation I can optimize a little bit. But in the end I pay a lot of taxes ;)
But If I would go to work in Germany or any other Shengen country I could optimize better.
Now for an American you first need to get a work permit: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/234826/how_to_move_...
Then your options are open: all tax free places are possible to start your company. You can google for these places.
Re: Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
#25Heise, an IT publisher in Germany does regular surveys of IT salaries. See http://www.heise.de/jobs/artikel/Wer-verdient-wie-viel-98184...
Yeah, the German slashdot. Highly recommended if you want to get in touch with German IT - but don't expect to much ;-)
For those to lazy to fire up a translator:
According to the heise.de statistic, the highest pay category for a software developer is "group/team leader" and will get you 67 800 Euro on average.
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#26I'm a developer in Stockholm, Sweden. Making around $72-75K a year. Pretty average salary around here, I think?
How much do you get after taxes?
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#27You could not compare US/EU pays. The tax system and the benefits vary widely. For example in France: a salary of 50k€/year like me, you should add 30% of tax paid by the compagny you would have paid from your own salary in US. This salary is brut. You could retire 20% of direct tax on it. So it give a ~3000€ net by month. Benefits paid by tax: - health insurance (70% rembursment for standard care like a flu, 100% fo…
Absolutely. The salary difference looks outrageous, but when you account for social security and retirement package, it's not that bad.
Still bad though. :)
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#28I'm pretty sure that IBM Germany wouldn't pay you more either. Guess how shocking I found salaries during my first time in the US ;-) Also, even though taxes in CA are "high", taxes in Germany will prob. be a lot higher. I recently spoke to a Norwegian who just moved here. He couldn't believe that he has to pay more here than back home. >50% including social benefits etc. is standard for a single. However, you have t…
> I'm pretty sure that IBM Germany wouldn't pay you more either.
Wrong guess, they do pay more. I worked for IBM R&D Germany right after graduation and my salary was more than 45k, even excluding overtime, which was paid extra.
As for Germany, there's also a gap in salary depending on the size of the company you work for. Generally, larger cooperations pay better than smaller ones, so if you're looking to make more money, go for the bigger players.
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#29Depending on your skills, a "senior" developer in Berlin would earn around 45 to 60,000 € per year. If you're specializing in Ruby on Rails or Magento, for example, you would be paid higher. Finally, don't forget the additional 20% of social security fees that your employer would have to pay on top of your salary.