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The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by scandox »

cies wrote: post #4

Calling it an art does not make it less cruel. That something is lucrative does not mean it's nice (ask slavery victims). Please consider not buying animal products, you can easily do without it. Thank you.

I'm amazed at the aggression this comment is getting. There's a strong moral argument for not eating meat. There's a distinct but also reasonable argument for not consuming derivative products. It's a sane position and I think it can be advocated for.

I can eat meat and still believe I may be wrong in doing so. There's absolutely no reason to take this quite polite advocacy as a personal attack.

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by hazz99 »

Ntrails wrote: post #16
cies wrote: post #4

Calling it an art does not make it less cruel. That something is lucrative does not mean it's nice (ask slavery victims). Please consider not buying animal products, you can easily do without it. Thank you.

Ah yes, the old "Eating/Kepping animals is just like slavery, you're all monsters" chestnut... Do you really think that anyone is going to see this comment and reconsider eating meat, or wearing leather? Because "that nice _cies_ person on the internet told me I'm a terrible human being"?

I doubt they expect that. It might, however, encourage others to think about it a bit more.

Their message was very polite, simply pointing out the existence of other lifestyles, and barring personal tastes, it’s functionally not difficult to change your own.

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by galoisgirl »

cies wrote: post #4

Calling it an art does not make it less cruel. That something is lucrative does not mean it's nice (ask slavery victims). Please consider not buying animal products, you can easily do without it. Thank you.

Vegetarians have animal blood on their hands as well: https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-the...

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by hazz99 »

Bancakes wrote: post #9
cies wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With so many replacements products, it has never been easier. A replacement is at hand within a few meters of the animal derived product in most modern supermarkets. Also, Youtube is full of inspiration of how to replace any animal derived product. It's never been easier. I think its more the will, than the ability, that's needed. And if someone considers some products "too hard to switch away from" then, just keep b…

What I'm saying is, it's really easy for me to boil a dozen eggs, grill some chicken bits, and boil half a pack of brown rice or quinoa. A week's worth of food, the caloric density is astounding. I then only need to make salads or play with frozen veggies. All of this is really cheap and quick to make. Almond/coconut/soy milk costs nearly three times as much as cow's milk in my country, and the substitute 'meats' are…

Millions of people in India eat a very varied, inexpensive vegetarian diet. And their food tastes great.

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by ceejayoz »

graphpapa wrote: post #19
ceejayoz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d really like to see someone do the math on how many animals get killed growing plant-based meat substitutes. Mice sucked up when they harvest the corn, bugs sprayed with pesticides, etc. Pasture-raised grass-fed beef might come out way better in comparison.

This makes it sound like plant based diets are much crueler than they make out to be - but that harm is surely still an order of magnitude reduced compared to farming animals? One is collateral damage (mice sucked up etc.) but the other is _premised_ on death.

> but that harm is surely still an order of magnitude reduced compared to farming animals?

Probably true if you compare it to conventional cattle farming, as they're largely fed corn from fields.

I suspect pasture raised, grass fed animals have a vastly lower deaths-per-bite count than a veggie burger, though. I don't know that I subscribe to the "accidental deaths matter less" argument, either.

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by sjg007 »

scandox wrote: post #21
cies wrote: post #4

Calling it an art does not make it less cruel. That something is lucrative does not mean it's nice (ask slavery victims). Please consider not buying animal products, you can easily do without it. Thank you.

I'm amazed at the aggression this comment is getting. There's a strong moral argument for not eating meat. There's a distinct but also reasonable argument for not consuming derivative products. It's a sane position and I think it can be advocated for. I can eat meat and still believe I may be wrong in doing so. There's absolutely no reason to take this quite polite advocacy as a personal attack.

What is the moral argument?

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by naringas »

scandox wrote: post #21
cies wrote: post #4

Calling it an art does not make it less cruel. That something is lucrative does not mean it's nice (ask slavery victims). Please consider not buying animal products, you can easily do without it. Thank you.

I'm amazed at the aggression this comment is getting. There's a strong moral argument for not eating meat. There's a distinct but also reasonable argument for not consuming derivative products. It's a sane position and I think it can be advocated for. I can eat meat and still believe I may be wrong in doing so. There's absolutely no reason to take this quite polite advocacy as a personal attack.

the lesson from this? advocating vegetarianism is one of the various HN taboos.

Re: The Lucrative Art of Chicken Sexing (2017)

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Post by thom »

iflp wrote: post #13
thom wrote: post #3

So obviously everyone reading this is going to go away and spawn and computer vision startup, and it turns out much progress has already been made[0][1], including prediction sex before hatching[2]. 0: https://vixra.org/pdf/1405.0016v1.pdf 1: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342532726_Estimatio... 2: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00071668.2019.1...

Vixra is not usually considered as a credible source.

Fortunately I am not in the chicken sexing game.
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