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The economics of vending machines

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Re: The economics of vending machines

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Also, ATM machines. When my daughter was sick with cancer ten years ago I was a contractor. I couldn’t put in enough hours because I was always at the hospital with her. The handful of ATM’s I owned at the time allowed us to keep paying our bills.

Cash isn’t as common now (pre-COVID), and even less so post, but my guess is there’s still money to be made in some parts of the world.

ATM machines are cheap, about $1,500. If you put them in places where people REALLY need cash (strip clubs, festivals, etc...) you can make a fine living.

I eventually sold mine to a friend because my consulting required me to travel and you lose all your profits if you have to pay a company to manage (refilling) the money for you.

I have some funny stories like the time I was sitting behind a strip club in a bad part of town at night with $30k in cash waiting on a tech because the magazine jammed.

I once had to withdraw 60k in $20’s for my friend and business partner at the time. He was out of the country and is 18 year old cousin was refilling the ATM’s. His ATM’s were two hours from me. We sat in the back of a large Wells Fargo branch with money counters and VERY SERIOUS (read: terrified) EMPLOYEES as I handed the $60k they just counted to a kid and sent him on his way. LOL

In the ATM biz everyone knows each other and lending money is common and done on a handshake. The reason is, if you can’t be trusted with cash you don’t last long. So if you’ve been around nobody had a problem letting you borrow $100k in duffle bags in the parking lot of a Home Depot at 6am.

Everything is tracked because the ATM’s all go through a data provider that handles the bank interchange. You should see the volumes of money that pass through them. Even the small ones back then would process hundreds of millions in $USD a year. When you lend someone money you call Chris at the data company up and say “I’m borrowing $50k from Tom so send the next few wires to him”.

M-F you get an ACH from the previous days withdrawals plus whatever fee you charged. Monday’s includes Fri-Sun. It’s an interesting business and it’s fun. I never got robbed but I’m ex military and stayed strapped and aware of my surroundings.

Re: The economics of vending machines

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The juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze. 40% margin, maybe less and you need a shit ton of machines to make decent money. You also have to restock all the machines, so it seems like a difficult business to scale that actually gets harder the larger scale you are. 250 machines with 500k in revenue for 2 people doesn't seem like that much. With 40% margins, that's 200k and assumes you have no employees which seems unl…

You also need to find a place to put the machine. The article mentions paying up to a 25% comission to the owner of the place. Even if you somehow get amazing margins on the machine itself like 70% (assuming you refill the machine for free) it will turn into 45% margin after actually putting the machine down. >We surveyed 23 vending machine owners with various-sized operations and found that the average operator in o…

"Average" (of 23 survey respondents) might not be a particularly great measure. I can imagine many operators would have 1-3 machines on the premises of the business they are actually focused on (a pizza shop or an office cafeteria with a drink and a snacks vending machine), while others might have 75 or more.

(How much does the average mobile app make? Does that low 4-figure amount (edit-to-add: per year) mean that app development is a dead end?)

Re: The economics of vending machines

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post #19

Surprised to see no mention of Japan in the comments. As any visitor can attest, the country has way more vending machines than anywhere else I know of, and in way more categories. Soft drinks, tea (hot and cold), coffee, beer, hard liquor, tobacco, snacks, ice cream, rice, toiletries, even the semi-apocryphal used panties. The article below outlines some reasons why, but it seems to boil down to high cost of labor &…

There are lots of weird and wonderful vending machines around the world: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/live-crabs-and-lego-s...

In Romania I came across an egg vending machine. There was a padded cushion where the eggs dropped down.

http://www.eggvendingmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09...

Re: The economics of vending machines

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Surprised to see no mention of Japan in the comments. As any visitor can attest, the country has way more vending machines than anywhere else I know of, and in way more categories. Soft drinks, tea (hot and cold), coffee, beer, hard liquor, tobacco, snacks, ice cream, rice, toiletries, even the semi-apocryphal used panties. The article below outlines some reasons why, but it seems to boil down to high cost of labor &…

It also helps that it’s a high trust society and you don’t get a lot of delinquent kids breaking in to get cigs or beer. Obviously cameras help with that.

Re: The economics of vending machines

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything seems to suggest that this has already happened. The reason this works as a 'side hustle' is because it's only lucrative if you ascribe a very low value to your time (and your car mileage, and the stress of doing admin for your 'business'). The fact the big players don't bother, the number of 'entrepreneurs' doing this in their spare time, the fact that they repair, move and restock the machines themselves…

I'd add that what people here are calling a "side hustle" is something that quite a few people without a lot of marketable skills would call a job/income stream. And, yes, there are a lot of jobs/income streams that work for individuals who lack a lot of alternatives that don't work for companies that have offices, accountants, etc.

There are a lot of opportunities like this. However, when you look at many of them in detail, they pay very very poorly.

Re: The economics of vending machines

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The juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze. 40% margin, maybe less and you need a shit ton of machines to make decent money. You also have to restock all the machines, so it seems like a difficult business to scale that actually gets harder the larger scale you are. 250 machines with 500k in revenue for 2 people doesn't seem like that much. With 40% margins, that's 200k and assumes you have no employees which seems unl…

I think these businesses are impossible to scale because of the trust issue. You can pay someone a decent wage to empty the machines but you lose all your profits. Or you pay them rock bottom to drive around with thousands of your dollars in cash and merchandise. Then they rip you off in various plausibly deniable ways.

Re: The economics of vending machines

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post #26

Surprised to see no mention of Japan in the comments. As any visitor can attest, the country has way more vending machines than anywhere else I know of, and in way more categories. Soft drinks, tea (hot and cold), coffee, beer, hard liquor, tobacco, snacks, ice cream, rice, toiletries, even the semi-apocryphal used panties. The article below outlines some reasons why, but it seems to boil down to high cost of labor &…

It also helps that it’s a high trust society and you don’t get a lot of delinquent kids breaking in to get cigs or beer. Obviously cameras help with that.

Yes I thought that when I visited. A vending machine on the streets of a UK city full of beer and cigs wouldn't last 3 minutes.
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