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What “The Social Dilemma” Gets Wrong [pdf]

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The film explains that when they say “you are the product” they mean Facebook is selling a chance to influence your behavior. It’s an interesting perspective, but this PR piece from Facebook seems to willingly misinterpret this

"Influence your behavior" seems like an over dramatic description of "show me ads".

Why is it over dramatic? They are trying to make you buy something, sign up for something, or vote for someone.

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I haven't had Facebook since I gave it up for Lent in 2017 as part of a social media "time out", and I haven't looked back. I watched "The Social Dilemma" with my fiancée last weekend, and she deleted hers after (time will tell if it's permanent, I certainly hope so... she's kept Instagram for the time being but I'm hoping to convince her to get rid of that as well).

I thought about writing a point-by-point rebuttable to this, about the obvious lies and wilful misdirection ...

But then I realized that I just don't care anymore. I love being free of this company and I almost got sucked back in to writing flame war comments about [thing that gets more attention].

Folks, just give this company up. You'll be much happier, I promise.

Re: What “The Social Dilemma” Gets Wrong [pdf]

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The film explains that when they say “you are the product” they mean Facebook is selling a chance to influence your behavior. It’s an interesting perspective, but this PR piece from Facebook seems to willingly misinterpret this

"Influence your behavior" seems like an over dramatic description of "show me ads".

Shades of gray.

Facebook’s manipulation is arguably much harder to spot.

Sure they’re both forms of advertising, but at some point a new technology is so much more effective that it should be treated like a new thing.

I think that’s what people are arguing here.

Re: What “The Social Dilemma” Gets Wrong [pdf]

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The film explains that when they say “you are the product” they mean Facebook is selling a chance to influence your behavior. It’s an interesting perspective, but this PR piece from Facebook seems to willingly misinterpret this

"Influence your behavior" seems like an over dramatic description of "show me ads".

The movie raises the question of what advertisers are paying for, and conclude it must be behavior modification. From public service announcements that smoking is bad for you to Tom Selleck endorsing reverse mortgages, it seems advertisers pay to "show me ads" believing it will alter someone's behavior at least a little. Given the scale of Facebook's data and the scale of Facebook's audience, advertisers can use Facebook to make small surgical modifications to a vast slice of humanity. To me, this is somewhat compelling argument that Facebooks' "show me ads" business model really is pay to "influence your behavior".

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post #19

Reposting my comment from a dead thread here on the subject: Ha, I just finished watching the movie an hour ago with a friend. Of course its obvious how the debate was going to be framed from the beginning: Facebook is supposed to be "unbiased" and from this point of view political inaction is the high-minded route over traditional low-minded autocratic rule. Instead of possibly curating a high-quality news feed for…

> The big question I think should be how do we design this "good" bias into our social media Yeah, no thanks. Algorithms aren’t the solution to this particular problem.

I don’t think that skim…milk said anything about that this has to be done by algorithms.

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The film explains that when they say “you are the product” they mean Facebook is selling a chance to influence your behavior. It’s an interesting perspective, but this PR piece from Facebook seems to willingly misinterpret this

Facebook is giving perspectives that aren’t even rebuttals, just rewording the same thing and that’s hilarious

“What we really mean is that we keep it free for you [because you are product exactly like they said, this is the only reason advertisers come here, not for the traffic but for the precision targeting]”

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The film explains that when they say “you are the product” they mean Facebook is selling a chance to influence your behavior. It’s an interesting perspective, but this PR piece from Facebook seems to willingly misinterpret this

"Influence your behavior" seems like an over dramatic description of "show me ads".

They persistently allowed ads aimed at influencing elections in nefarious ways and misusing their users' data.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

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post #19

Reposting my comment from a dead thread here on the subject: Ha, I just finished watching the movie an hour ago with a friend. Of course its obvious how the debate was going to be framed from the beginning: Facebook is supposed to be "unbiased" and from this point of view political inaction is the high-minded route over traditional low-minded autocratic rule. Instead of possibly curating a high-quality news feed for…

> The big question I think should be how do we design this "good" bias into our social media Yeah, no thanks. Algorithms aren’t the solution to this particular problem.

I hate it too (pointing to the out-of-context quote), I don't use social media, but it's here and it's causing a problem. The solution is to remove the algorithm however. The end goal of this proposed solution (not mine, again) isn't to bring "good" bias to social technology through algorithmic means, but to find good bias through a 100% human-lead experience.

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This Chrome extension named Social Book Post Manager ( https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/social-book-post-m... ) seems to be the easiest way for users to delete all their past history (or selective portions) on Facebook, seeing as how Facebook provides no way to bulk delete your likes, posts, photos, etc except by deleting your account entirely. The authors claim it is completely safe to use: > This extension…

While I can't say for sure it was that exact extension, I did use something with a very similar name about a year or two ago to completely scrub my Facebook profile. Apparently they had renamed it a couple of times, I assume to purge trademarks from the extension name.

It worked as advertised, and I deactivated my now-empty account and went on my merry way.

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