Imagine you live in a country where about 40% of the population wants to destroy democracy. Even if the other 60% regains control, isn't your society basically fucked anyway? Because you can never trust that 40% with any kind of power ever again. Because the moment they would regain that power, they would try to forever cut you off from any power ever again.
It's more like 10-80-10. You've got some small minority of people on both sides who want complete control as a means to their own ends and then the 80% in the middle who don't really care that much and will ally with either side depending on the other specifics of the situation. I'm pulling the numbers out of my ass but pretty much every contentious issue breaks down this way. Most people mostly don't care about most…
Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
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Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#22This may sound hyperbolic, but it's happened before. A man I knew many years ago told me how during the Vietnam war, he spent his weekends smuggling draft dodgers across the border in his boat. Poor kids who couldn't afford a doctor to say they have bone spurs. Political refugees, from a certain perspective.
Let's say Trump loses, but won't accept the results. Let's say he gets the military behind him. These aren't even far fetched ideas anymore. These are things that could happen. Violence would certainly follow.
Makes me think I should buy a boat.
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#23> The explanation given is that the portal needs to undergo "scheduled maintenance” that is “required.” > National Voter Registration Day is a movement to encourage people to register to vote on the fourth Tuesday of September during election years. There's no way this was an honest mistake. Why schedule maintenance on the exact day you expect a lot of voters to want to use the site?
Scheduled maintenance during business hours?
It's not always maintenance that this happens to. I once worked at a facility that couldn't be snow-plowed overnight because they couldn't ask maintenance to work late/early and they couldn't hire a 3rd party to do it because that violated the specific language in the contract of the government employees union that the maintenance dept belonged to.
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#24Imagine you live in a country where about 40% of the population wants to destroy democracy. Even if the other 60% regains control, isn't your society basically fucked anyway? Because you can never trust that 40% with any kind of power ever again. Because the moment they would regain that power, they would try to forever cut you off from any power ever again.
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the other 60% is not doing basically the same? > 40% always demonizes the 60% as sub-human violent scum One sentence later... > 40% has violent fantasies of a Civil War do-over
You should compare the antifa vs. fa fatality count sometime. It would put the "both sides are equally violent" hypothesis into some perspective. Or guns and ammo count.
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#26Imagine you live in a country where about 40% of the population wants to destroy democracy. Even if the other 60% regains control, isn't your society basically fucked anyway? Because you can never trust that 40% with any kind of power ever again. Because the moment they would regain that power, they would try to forever cut you off from any power ever again.
I would like to optimistically believe that from that 40%, most of them (80% ?) do not know any better, or in some kind of cognitive dissonance. I imagine, they're thinking something along "we are a country of freedom, we help install democracy in the world, this is the system founding fathers created so it cannot be undemocratic, is it?". I guess only small amount from those 40% are actively undemocratic and trying…
In this world it helps to be not only opinionated but violent and maybe a little unhinged. The more enthusiastic you are about conflict and the more damaging you are to others in conflict the more the conflict-avoidant majority around you will side with you to protect themselves. In other words, this is a world that favors bullies.
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#27Imagine you live in a country where about 40% of the population wants to destroy democracy. Even if the other 60% regains control, isn't your society basically fucked anyway? Because you can never trust that 40% with any kind of power ever again. Because the moment they would regain that power, they would try to forever cut you off from any power ever again.
40% wants to destroy democracy, always demonizes the 60% as sub-human violent scum, and has been stockpiling guns and ammo for decades. And the 40% has violent fantasies of a Civil War do-over. And is enthusiastically receiving active support from foreign powers who would love to see the country descend into bloody chaos.
Do you genuinely believe that a full 40% of Americans have "violent fantasies of a Civil War", or that legitimately want to "destroy democracy"? Have you met a single person in real life that thinks that way? Or have you only seen retweets and characterizations of a couple people online and have associated that with large swathes of the population?
> always demonizes the 60% as sub-human violent scum
> the 40% has violent fantasies
You have to see the irony here, right? You are doing more than your fair share of demonizing.
For a little perspective, only ~ 40% of people vote in presidential elections (and ~half vote democrat). So your percentages are way off from the start. Even among those that do vote, there are a huge portion of people who "don't really follow politics". The reality is much closer to 5% galvanized left vs 5% galvanized right, 90% people who don't really participate.
Perpetuating hate and division does nothing to help anyone.
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#28They really wanted people to register with that domain...
Re: Louisiana voter registration portal mysteriously shuts down on Registration Day
#29> The explanation given is that the portal needs to undergo "scheduled maintenance” that is “required.” > National Voter Registration Day is a movement to encourage people to register to vote on the fourth Tuesday of September during election years. There's no way this was an honest mistake. Why schedule maintenance on the exact day you expect a lot of voters to want to use the site?
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#30First, the US needs mandatory voting. This is what Australia has. The argument against this has always been about uninformed people voting and "fraud". I used to be sympathetic to this argument until I saw the massive scale of voter suppression that occurs in the US.
Mandatory voting immediately changes the conversation from "How do we get our side to vote and the other side note to?" to the legal obligation officials have to ensuring everyone can vote.
Voting also happens on the weekend in Australia. This greatly simplifies finding polling places. Most of them are schools.
The other thing that Australia has that the US needs (which will never happen) is preferential voting.
A big mistake the US makes (IMHO) is how the election process itself is politicized. I mean who thought it was a good idea that election supervisors are an elected position?
In Australia, we have the Australian Electoral Commission, who is responsible for organizing elections, tallying and reporting the results and determining district boundaries. Somehow this manages to function without it being a partisan battleground.
The real problem here seems to be cultural. You have a conservative once-majority now-minority that seems to feel that the ends justify the means. I mean the level of hypocrisy here is truly jaw-dropping. Four years ago it was too contentious to hold hearings on a nominee 10 months before an election. Now? We may have a Supreme Court confirmation in a lame duck session.
Remember the outrage around Hilary's emails? Yet on Russian interference in the election? Nothing. No, that's "fake news".
And by any objective measure, Trump himself is a reprehensible human being, whether you agree with his politics or not.
How self-described "moral voters" can turn a blind eye to all this, basically "because abortion", is almost incomprehensible. I have to wonder if overturning Roe v. Wade might not be the best thing at this point. Two-thirds of the population live in states that will legalize it anyway and then this issue can stop being a rallying cry.
As for this effort, I don't actually believe it was organized this way from the top (ie White House, RNC). It's the sort of thing that really smells like some mid-level functionary and state politics wannabe acting on their own with something that ultimately probably won't matter but is great virtue signaling (for someone who wants endorsements and support for some later election).
Or it could be some partisan mid-level manager who acted on their own.
To anyone saying "no maintenance takes a day", I guarantee you it can. This could easily be a database server that is being replaced. It needs to be set up and the database copied over. Not everyone runs EC2 instances. In the real world deployments can be (and usually are) incredibly primitive.