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Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by xiphias2 »

yodsanklai wrote: post #16

I don't know what we can deduced from these anecdotal evidences. But would that be legal for a US company or university (e.g. academic job) to enforce quotas based on gender? BTW, I remember a Facebook (or Google, dont remember) recruiter mentioning gender diversity in their company. He told me that they tried to be as diverse as possible, but that the bar was the same for everybody...

You can show that recruiter this picture:

https://buildyourfuture.withgoogle.com/programs/step/

Google at this point isn't even trying to hide that it's discriminating against white men, because it can get away with it. Still, I think it's a great company even with all its faults (I say it as a white man).

Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by sprez »

klyrs wrote: post #13

This is a very small number of anecdotes with heaps of conjecture and outrage.

To be fair, this is nothing new and it is a unwritten rule in India that top tech companies select just female candidates from most unis, and some talented males (and females) from the top institutes-the IITs. One of the very first things boys learn in Indian colleges is that these companies discriminate and they have little chance.

Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by sprez »

Zenst wrote: post #8

Facts are that many of these companies do not have the 50/50 perfect split of genders and are actively encouraged by some higher-ups to be able to tick that box as it is viewed as something that without could effect the share price. How companies get to that ideal balance is questionable in some cases and the crux is that until the whole gender aspect is taken of the table and we just call each other humans, such thi…

Interestingly, a guy from my uni choose the female gender for the online coding challenge, and got shortlisted (inspite of scoring less than his other male friends who were rejected), but was ultimately rejected after the interview

Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by thu2111 »

yodsanklai wrote: post #16

I don't know what we can deduced from these anecdotal evidences. But would that be legal for a US company or university (e.g. academic job) to enforce quotas based on gender? BTW, I remember a Facebook (or Google, dont remember) recruiter mentioning gender diversity in their company. He told me that they tried to be as diverse as possible, but that the bar was the same for everybody...

It's definitely illegal, but as Damore found out the hard way, the various "equality" agencies in charge of enforcing these rules are mostly controlled by feminists who think discrimination against men is brilliant.

Sex discrimination laws at this point are a joke. They're not enforced. It'd be more honest to repeal them.

Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by thu2111 »

throwawardauto wrote: post #18

I would like to give you an advice on this matter, don't fight against it at all. Why? Because you are bound to lose . You'll only fill yourself with rage and might be able to help a few individuals, but in long run it's not worth it at all. Yes there is blatant sexism happening in Indian IT industry's Tech Giants and yes many more people are going to get rejected, but theres nothing you can do about it. Those who do…

Look at it this way. Yes, it's depressing. But when these companies got big and great, they weren't using these policies. I know, I was there in the early years and saw how it changed over time.

These practices are ultimately the undoing of these firms. Not now, not next year, but the future is moving away from them. The decadence that allows them to rationalise picking employees based on what they look like is killing their ability to innovate and tearing them apart internally.

I know so many experienced Googlers that leaked out of the organisation over the past 5-6 years or so, many of them citing this sort of decline. Why take risks or go the extra mile when you'll automatically lose to a woman who does nothing beyond simply turning up?

The flip side of this is that momentum is shifting towards a new generation of company. This sort of thing takes a long time, but the reason Google/FB/etc buy so many startups is they know that's where the real risks are taken, where the real work gets done. They can't produce what they need internally anymore. That's your opportunity. Instead of looking from the outside through the window and wishing you were part of a culture that doesn't exist anymore, look outwards, towards what you can build yourself. Then sell what you made back to them. Or don't. Your choice.

Re: Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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Post by foota »

xiphias2 wrote: post #21
yodsanklai wrote: post #16

I don't know what we can deduced from these anecdotal evidences. But would that be legal for a US company or university (e.g. academic job) to enforce quotas based on gender? BTW, I remember a Facebook (or Google, dont remember) recruiter mentioning gender diversity in their company. He told me that they tried to be as diverse as possible, but that the bar was the same for everybody...

You can show that recruiter this picture: https://buildyourfuture.withgoogle.com/programs/step/ Google at this point isn't even trying to hide that it's discriminating against white men, because it can get away with it. Still, I think it's a great company even with all its faults (I say it as a white man).

I count something like 20 people that look like women and 17 that look like men. Sounds pretty even to me?
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