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Re: The Disinvitation

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Post by emsy »

duskwuff wrote: post #9

So, let me get this straight. Conference asks Martin to give a presentation. No money is to change hands, no contract is signed. Conference changes their mind and decides to not have him speak after all. Martin's reaction is to throw around legal threats like "breech of contract" [sic] and "tortious interference"??? Sounds to me like the conference dodged a bullet.

Verbal agreements still count as contracts in some jurisdictions and having your schedule booked on a certain date means you're missing out on paying opportunities. I assume you're employed otherwise you wouldn't spout nonsense like that.

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Post by [deleted] »

duskwuff wrote: post #9

So, let me get this straight. Conference asks Martin to give a presentation. No money is to change hands, no contract is signed. Conference changes their mind and decides to not have him speak after all. Martin's reaction is to throw around legal threats like "breech of contract" [sic] and "tortious interference"??? Sounds to me like the conference dodged a bullet.

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Post by zarkov99 »

jarz wrote: post #4
zarkov99 wrote: post #2

It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.

Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...

What? His remark regarding racial bias is reasonable and should not be grounds for barring from talking about programming in any sane, free society. We are going insane here. This isn't going to work, there is going to be a huge backlash and no one is going to take this SJW stuff seriously anymore.

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Post by tflinton »

pojntfx wrote: post #13
exolymph wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us do not accept "this person has said [thing considered objectionable] and therefore should not be allowed to talk about [unrelated topic] even if they perfectly follow the guidelines of the relevant event."

The question is what kind of effect they have on the audience. If someone uses exclusionary language in front of a diverse community that can be really destructive.

Something else to consider though, the amount of contempt for ones views that may be unpopular, for me is contrary to a diverse community, in fact disinviting people is exactly the opposite of being inclusive. I’m unsure how you can have a diverse community without having people who aren’t always inclusive, by trying to weed them out you inherently become what you lament. No?

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Post by kova12 »

pojntfx wrote: post #16
zarkov99 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? What is wrong with that? And what does the election cycle have to do with building software?

When someone like him still fills his blog with GamerGate-like Anti-SJW rhetoric in 2020, they are either stuck in the past or are actively still holding these beliefs, which are once expressed incompatible with the CoC.

So, you are unhappy that he called SJWs for what they are, or just that he used the word?

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Post by tasogare »

pojntfx wrote: post #16
zarkov99 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? What is wrong with that? And what does the election cycle have to do with building software?

When someone like him still fills his blog with GamerGate-like Anti-SJW rhetoric in 2020, they are either stuck in the past or are actively still holding these beliefs, which are once expressed incompatible with the CoC.

So in your view, the fact we are in 2020 (which is not very inclusive way to speak about date by the way, as I personally live in Reiwa 2), the fact someone is resisting about extremist views on a number of topics which are potentially prejudicial to himself in the long term, is something to be ashamed of? (Note that I didn’t check his blog, but being anti-SJW sounds exactly what an intelligent perso would do)

You know there is a name of that kind of behavior, and it has made millions of deaths worldwide already. It shows that resisting is even more important than before, before it is too late again.

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Post by [deleted] »

mplewis wrote: post #7

"Disinviting someone from a virtual conference who can draw a potentially large audience away from that virtual conference is not a particularly intelligent tactic." I think Uncle Bob greatly overestimates his pull in the tech talks world.

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Re: The Disinvitation

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Post by kova12 »

zarkov99 wrote: post #17
pojntfx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is what kind of effect they have on the audience. If someone uses exclusionary language in front of a diverse community that can be really destructive.

That excuse just does not work. Who are these fragile people who would be destroyed by Bob Martin's thoughts on programming? And why are they more important than all the other people who would want to listen to a guy that has been successfully writing software longer than almost anyone still working?

wow, SJWs flagged this post and you can't see it anymore!!!
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