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Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by vertis »

foobarian wrote: post #8
debuggingnoob wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did we need a live version of Lord of The Rings? What was wrong with the print version? The original Mulan legend is good material as is the original movie. If the new movie had been any good we'd likely all be happy for it. A Star Was Born has been re-made 4 times. The most recent is the highest rated. Pride and Prejudice has been made several times. I personally really enjoyed the mid 90s version. Mutiny on Bounty…

I'll tag along: I liked the live action version of Aladdin a lot more than the animated.

I enjoyed the Aladdin stage play, though TBH it's not my favourite play I've been to in recent years. Would settle for any play right now.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by vermilingua »

acdha wrote: post #12
vermilingua wrote: post #9

> Disney is under fire for shooting its new film Mulan in parts of China where the government is accused of serious human rights abuses. Because as we all know, if they’d shot it in any other province, the crimes against humanity basically aren’t even happening!

There’s a difference between not stopping genocide and giving money and recognition to the people conducting it. The actual point of the criticism is more nuanced than what you quoted: > social media users noticed that in the credits Disney thanked a number of government entities in Xinjiang, including the public security bureau in the city of Turpan and the "publicity department of CPC Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy Regio…

If we were talking about abuses committed by the US, or Europe, or anywhere else, I’d agree with you; but this is China. Human rights aside for a second, basically what makes China China, is the solidarity of mission. When the CCP charts a course, the whole bureaucracy sets in motion to make that happen.

This is all to say, I don’t see a functional difference between Disney giving the CPC Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy Region Committee money/credit, and giving it to any other agency within China; as one way or another that influence will still end up working to commit crimes against humanity.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #22

This is manufactured outrage, once again. Nothing wrong with filming in any part of China, but when people want to find something to pick on they find something to pick on.

I can see this point. We'd not be able to film anywhere if outrage were the selection criterion. Not in America surely.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by vermilingua »

umvi wrote: post #20
natcombs wrote: post #5

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I’m glad I watched that. Looks like the movie is a waste of time

I think it's worth at least one watch. Lots of fun Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon esque kung fu scenes. The biggest problem really is Mulan being a Mary Sue.

Why does that make it worth a watch? There are lots of CTHD-esque movies/shows, some of them are actually a bit more than a blatant cash grab, and close to zero of them give money to the absolute trash fire that is the Disney corporation.

Watch one of those instead!

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by mytailorisrich »

acdha wrote: post #12
vermilingua wrote: post #9

> Disney is under fire for shooting its new film Mulan in parts of China where the government is accused of serious human rights abuses. Because as we all know, if they’d shot it in any other province, the crimes against humanity basically aren’t even happening!

There’s a difference between not stopping genocide and giving money and recognition to the people conducting it. The actual point of the criticism is more nuanced than what you quoted: > social media users noticed that in the credits Disney thanked a number of government entities in Xinjiang, including the public security bureau in the city of Turpan and the "publicity department of CPC Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy Regio…

Turpan [1] has striking landscape with a very 'frontier' feel, and has a history to match. It's a pretty good location for filming such a movie.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by falcolas »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #22

This is manufactured outrage, once again. Nothing wrong with filming in any part of China, but when people want to find something to pick on they find something to pick on.

I'll stick to my outrage of the casts' attitudes towards Hong Kong and the outrageous $30 rental rate. I think that's more than enough, though this particular story certainly doesn't change my mind.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by umvi »

falcolas wrote: post #27
mytailorisrich wrote: post #22

This is manufactured outrage, once again. Nothing wrong with filming in any part of China, but when people want to find something to pick on they find something to pick on.

I'll stick to my outrage of the casts' attitudes towards Hong Kong and the outrageous $30 rental rate. I think that's more than enough, though this particular story certainly doesn't change my mind.

Well the $30 rental rate is an attempt to recoup box office losses due to covid so can't really blame them for trying... don't like it? Wait until December when it's free.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by acdha »

dominotw wrote: post #17
acdha wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a difference between not stopping genocide and giving money and recognition to the people conducting it. The actual point of the criticism is more nuanced than what you quoted: > social media users noticed that in the credits Disney thanked a number of government entities in Xinjiang, including the public security bureau in the city of Turpan and the "publicity department of CPC Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy Regio…

> giving money and recognition to the people conducting it. Isn't this basically all products that we buy at walmart though. What is the difference. I don't understand the nuance here.

I agree that western companies’ decision to ignore human rights in favor of cheaper prices is a problem but it seems like an escalation to go from ignoring the issue to publicly supporting the organizations involved with the full knowledge that they use things like that both as part of their public defense and to gauge how much more they can get away with.

Re: Disney criticised for filming Mulan in China's Xinjiang province

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Post by mytailorisrich »

falcolas wrote: post #27
mytailorisrich wrote: post #22

This is manufactured outrage, once again. Nothing wrong with filming in any part of China, but when people want to find something to pick on they find something to pick on.

I'll stick to my outrage of the casts' attitudes towards Hong Kong and the outrageous $30 rental rate. I think that's more than enough, though this particular story certainly doesn't change my mind.

The $30 rental rate is not 'outrageous'. It's a commercial decision, perhaps an experiment, taking into account the current special circumstances: How much is a family willing to pay to see this in a cinema? It's more than $30 in total, so as they cannot do or decide not to go, let's then watch this movie for actually less than that but more than for a movie that is passed in release date. The 'market' will decide.

As for the cast, well they are Chinese and may not have the same opinion as the 'correct' opinion broadcast on Western media. I think this is not outrageous. This just shows that people in different countries see things differently. In this case I think that taking note and understanding Chinese people views on Chinese issues is more productive than being outraged.

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