Well, try suing the administration in China ...
I do not think that the actions of a 3rd party should be influencing our decisions regarding the standards we apply to ourselves.
Why we are suing the Administration
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#22Well, try suing the administration in China ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appoi...
Yes, there is still a difference. No doubt. But Donald Trump is working on it ... since he already mentioned that he wants a third term (https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/12954979623664025... ) one has to see how long the system will uphold the attacks ...
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#23Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.
They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.
FB and Twitter no doubt brainwash people into all kinds of silliness - we've seen that quite vividly in the past 3 months. But there's not a whole lot you can do about them legally under US law. There is a whole lot you can do with TikTok and other foreign companies that represent a national security threat.
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#24Chinese administration ban or ostracize large portion of us software , imo us and eu must do the same 'til minimum information freedom for free people ( no China firewall,information circulation ban ) is allowed there too
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#25Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.
They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.
Adults watch TikTok for voting suggestions? The American society is getting weirder every day.
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#26Well, try suing the administration in China ...
While acerbic, this highlights the difference between the two systems. China is economically and politically exclusive, while US system is inclusive politically and economically (inclusive means you are not stopped from participating, not that everyone would be capable of participating). One facet of an inclusive system are courts that are politically independent. Hence you are able to sue a government in an inclusiv…
Yes, you are able.
But when one of two players are not playing fair (China) you're not going win any medals (or fights) while holding by your usual ethical standards.
And as much as I'm mostly completely opposed to the current US administration, Tiktok is a liability.
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#27I would love for tiktok (and all similar social media) to disappear and I agree that China is a threat to the rest of the world (although the US is too :-) ) but tiktok do have a point that this has been done by the trump admin like they do things in a banana republic: I don't like things therefore I, the king.. uh president, decide that this has to go.
You might like it here as its a company you don't like but what if the same is done next for Twitter, Telegram, or maybe just foreign companies like e.g. Siemens, Tata, ...
Trump is hollowing out the rule of law and pretends he can do whatever he feels like. It's a mistake to cheer for that even if you agree with some of those decisions.
All I'm reminded of is this famous quote of a German priest ultimately executed by the Nazis:
> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-Because I was not a socialist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-Because I was not a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-Because I was not a Jew.
> Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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#28Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented.
The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1]
You may disagree with me on the strict security-related merits of banning TikTok, and I am willing to concede all of them, however this will, either way, establish a precedent of an app's coverage by 1st amendment free speech protections, and of what standards the government needs to do to ban an app, whether it be a Chinese social media app or an end-to-end encrypted messaging app. [2]
If the standard is simply to claim that it's "a national security threat" without requiring any further evidence (besides the fact that it's Chinese) then that might be cause for concern.
[1] https://medium.com/@fs0c131y/tiktok-logs-logs-logs-e93e81626...
[2] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/tiktok-ban-seed-genuin...
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#29This needs to be done to all Chinese businesses. They do the same. China has become too powerful for everyone-else good.
Yeah because obviously when the US administration uses all the big american tech giants to spy on every internet user it's for "everyone-else good" /s
That sucks very much, I agree but at least they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Your post here is evidence for that the CCP is way, way worse since your post would be pretty much dangerous to write in China if it were about their government.
If you really believe the US is as bad as China, you're living in a fantasy world my friend.
Re: Why we are suing the Administration
#30Well, try suing the administration in China ...
There you go. While they're at it, try critiquing the CCP on TikTok. Watch it get removed instantaneously.
In the US, at least you can sue the administration and criticize them over their actions. The CCP on the other hand...