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Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by chiefalchemist »

wccrawford wrote: post #13
chiefalchemist wrote: post #12

I don't enjoy being the one to say this but censored is the wrong word. Censoring is something governments do. We can't keep using the wrong words and expect communication and discourse to improve. Words matter.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor As a verb, it's used the same as Merriam Webster defines it. There is no need for it to be the government, just someone that is suppressing or deleting things that are objectionable. Everyone knows what is meant here, so there's no problem with the clarity of communication.

The point is simple:

Censorship laws do not protect against this type of "censorship". So yes, out of context it meets the vanilla definition of the word. Unfortunately, in the current sociopolitical environment where such things are front and center, the word is misleading.

Spotify is not Uncle Sam, and vice versa. Context matters, and therefore censor is an extremely poor choice. It hurts more than it helps. In fact, it's close to clickbait.

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by haunter »

thinkcontext wrote: post #16

Really, a link to a reddit thread? Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors. I recognize few people on that list but I can see why Spotify wouldn't want the headache with advertisers over Alex Jones, Milo Y and Gavin Mcinnes. Rogan chose this when he went exclusive with Spotify.

>Can't we get something resembling journalism instead of ranting fanboys spreading rumors

I don't see ranting nor rumors.

Go to Spotify and you can see those episodes are missing.

Also what does "resembling journalism" mean? Reddit is a perfect to cover topics like that

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by swiley »

The only thing surprising about this is how quickly it happened.

Podcasts are just RSS feeds with audio (or even video now apparently, no one seems to use that but it solves the “videos are only discoverable on YouTube” problem.) You don’t need to be part of any special platform to host them. Maybe someone should set up one of those PSA sites.

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by rbecker »

gridlockd wrote: post #15
sfgweilr4f wrote: post #3

Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.

I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable, rather than a blacklist of people. Eddie Bravo and Joey Diaz have been on tons of episodes other than the ones listed. I can't even imagine JRE without Joey as a regular. Some people strike me as particularly odd for blacklisting: Louis Theroux, Brian Dunning and Rickson Gracie must be politically u…

> I suspect this has to be more to do with particular things said on these episodes that may make Spotify legally liable

Are those episodes listed on Spotify as "Censored to avoid legal liability"? Or perhaps as "Unavailable due to legal reasons"? Or were they just quietly disappeared, and it was up to a random redditor to reveal that censorship even took place?

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gridlockd »

sfgweilr4f wrote: post #3

Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.

Of all the questionable claims that Alex Jones has made, you picked one that's actually true.

Endocrine disruptors should be a serious environmental concern, but now that Alex Jones talked about it, I guess we can safely ignore it.

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Post by gridlockd »

aaron695 wrote: post #20
sfgweilr4f wrote: post #3

Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.

Yes, things being put into water were claimed by scientist to be turning frogs gay, which is why he made the comment. "Scientists are continuing to sound the alarm about some common chemicals, including the herbicide atrazine, and link them to changes in reproductive health and development. Endocrine disrupting toxic chemicals have been found to feminize male frogs and cause homosexual behavior. " (2011) https://www.…

I'm picturing some PR people at a major chemicals corporation, upon discovering that their product has the power to turn frogs gay:

"This is credible science, let's seed this to Alex Jones, he'll turn it into a laughing stock!"

It made the list:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/alex-jones-5-most-disturbing...

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

It is concerning that the last main stream sanctuary of free speech might have been compromised.

However, as of right now we dont know if Spotify censored these episodes, if Rogan censored them himself, or if they just didnt upload them yet. It's only 9 hours in to the first day, no need to jump to conclusions yet.

Re: Spotify censored Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by krapp »

gridlockd wrote: post #25
sfgweilr4f wrote: post #3

Now we know which episodes are the most interesting. Also which guests reveal who/what can't be criticised or discussed. That said, I'm not surprised that Alex "they're turnin' the friggin frogs gay" Jones is on that list.

Of all the questionable claims that Alex Jones has made, you picked one that's actually true . Endocrine disruptors should be a serious environmental concern, but now that Alex Jones talked about it, I guess we can safely ignore it.

The actual claim Alex Jones was making was that some feminist-homosexual-government conspiracy was deliberately dumping chemicals into the water supply in order to increase the homosexual population as an act of chemical warfare and genocide against straight males.

He wasn't simply voicing a concern about the environmental impact of endocrine disruptors, or corporate pollution.

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