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Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

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post #3

With big money comes big responsibility. Storing $16M should be taken very seriously and probably most people have no clue about that.

I think the point is that you can store $16M in a bank and take need to take no precautions against casual theft (and often can recover the money via person-to-person interactions, if theft does occur).

I completely disagree, only the first $250k is insured. I would never store $16M cash in a bank. You aren't protected against the bank becoming insolvent.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#23
post #6

Many folks shit on the modern financial system, with its centralization and Government-coupling, but things like this are actually trackable and reversible in that ecosystem. The safeguards have evolved over centuries. I am curious when crypto will get there. Maybe 10 years or so?

Cash transactions aren't reversible or easily tracked.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#24
post #6

Many folks shit on the modern financial system, with its centralization and Government-coupling, but things like this are actually trackable and reversible in that ecosystem. The safeguards have evolved over centuries. I am curious when crypto will get there. Maybe 10 years or so?

They first have to understand that reversibility is a feature. One of their core beliefs is that's it's a bug.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#25

As far as I can understand 1. The user had 1,400 BTC in an old wallet using this software 2. An old version of the software was vulnerable to phishing 3. The user attempted to use the software, and was phished 4. Massive payday for the scammers Really unfortunate - and goes to show with software you manage yourself you need to be diligent about making sure it's updated. For all the shit coinbase gets, it's difficult…

It was my understanding that the user had installed a version of the Electrum wallet that was not from the official source at electrum.org. (But agree - it was really difficult to identify the core issue from this string of GitHub comments.)

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#26
post #3

With big money comes big responsibility. Storing $16M should be taken very seriously and probably most people have no clue about that.

I think the point is that you can store $16M in a bank and take need to take no precautions against casual theft (and often can recover the money via person-to-person interactions, if theft does occur).

To store $16M you definitely need to take precautions. Someone could steal your identity or compromise your account. It seems like different vulnerabilities rather than one that only exists for crypto.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#27
post #6

Many folks shit on the modern financial system, with its centralization and Government-coupling, but things like this are actually trackable and reversible in that ecosystem. The safeguards have evolved over centuries. I am curious when crypto will get there. Maybe 10 years or so?

Cash transactions aren't reversible or easily tracked.

Which is why it's not used for important purchases. Except illegal ones.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#28
post #3

With big money comes big responsibility. Storing $16M should be taken very seriously and probably most people have no clue about that.

I think the point is that you can store $16M in a bank and take need to take no precautions against casual theft (and often can recover the money via person-to-person interactions, if theft does occur).

I have more faith in the banking system but even there it can get tricky: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24222045.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#29

As far as I can understand 1. The user had 1,400 BTC in an old wallet using this software 2. An old version of the software was vulnerable to phishing 3. The user attempted to use the software, and was phished 4. Massive payday for the scammers Really unfortunate - and goes to show with software you manage yourself you need to be diligent about making sure it's updated. For all the shit coinbase gets, it's difficult…

Also, I think it's just the reason that crypto-currency will fail.

If you trick me into an ACH transfer of 16 million, there will

a) Trigger some random human based audits at my bank before the money can leave (likely involve some phone calls)

b) Have actual recourse, like court orders to hold the funds at the other bank

c) Take some amount of time to happen, to allow for A & B

It's not perfect, and it has bugs.. but I would never store actual money of value in crypto anything.

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