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“Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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After having unrestricted access to bulletin board systems and the internet since being 10 years old, I have to say with some disappointment that if the dark triad personality type is on the rise, it has to be related to what is now unrestricted free internet for everyone.

The current version of the internet having been commercialized and available everywhere creates a sort of machine learning feed back loop for narcissism just like it does with fake news.

We all became the evil queen from Snow White in varying forms. Except the mirror evolved and became halfway sentient and began controlling us.

If you look at the DSM-5 example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) it describes the behaviors and outcomes that we have seen with increased social media addiction.

So the theory is that the internet is a dangerous addiction like any other, far more than people want to admit... Certainly more than the people who helped create it want to admit. All you have to do is look around society to see the impact.

Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be…

It's easily solvable if one thinks that helping many people is clearly worth helping[1] a few[2] manipulative hooligans. My country may be higher-trust than yours, but my impression of how our social system works is that we've found it cheaper and easier to make social aid readily available, and pay a few people who double-check on recipients for possible fraud, than to pay many people to administer red-tape as a hur…

The problem that I'm claiming is unsolvable is this:

> Why focus on the individual instead of the environment that rewards him

I agree that we shouldn't stop trying to help people just because there will always be fraud.

Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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Here's a handy tip you won't find often on HN: any time you're wondering whether X is "an evolutionary adaptation", where X is "any complex phenotype that isn't a genetic disease", the answer is very probably no . Most of our evolution is accidental, because the dominant evolutionary process is genetic drift [0]. There are exceptions to this rule but they have been usually very easy to demonstrate - natural selection…

Just because evolution is accidental doesn't mean there's no structure behind it (emergent intelligence). Because in this environment they are successful it means there is random genetic changes that give these same traits. How does this explain different phenotypes in grouped populations? Let's say for instance that a species of ant is known to be more aggressive, why it was that way is probably generic drift. Why i…

>How does this explain different phenotypes in grouped populations?

Random fixation and/or founder effect, among a myriad of effects that don't involve natural selection.

>Let's say for instance that a species of ant is known to be more aggressive, why it was that way is probably generic drift. Why it stays that way is because of its environment, and it is selected for.

Or the different alleles for aggressiveness (whatever that means, and assuming they exist) got fixed due to drift? Who knows. The burden of proof is on the adaptationist to show that something other than contingency happened.

Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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This is an interesting topic, but Psychology Today is a poor quality source for serious discussion.

The study is linked in the article if you don't trust them.

It is not that I do not trust Psychology Today, but that psychology is a messy subject. The articles in Psychology Today can perhaps give some insight into what is being studied in the field, but omits a vast number of details and nuances that are necessary to interpret study results.

Reliability and validity are notoriously hard to pin down in psychology, and there is no stable model of mind or personality that all people share. In practically every study of psychology, one must critically consider not only the reliability and validity of each and every operational definition, but also be highly skeptical of every measurement and also of the statistical techniques applied to those measurements. We know so much about the physical science compared to so little about psychology because people are "messy" and unique.

Every person has intimate experience with their own mind, and therefore many people consider psychology to be accessible. Unfortunately, this is not true. People do a very poor job of understanding the true nature of themselves, especially with regards to how their minds operate. The hazard with pop psychology is that it encourages people to make judgements on others -- judgements that are not necessarily warranted -- and sometimes leads people to take actions that are not in their or others' best interests.

As an example in the Psychology Today article, the author wrote, "In their recently published paper, Signaling Virtuous Victimhood as Indicators of Dark Triad Personalities, the authors suggest that Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy might be beneficial for obtaining resources." While Ok et al. collected interesting data, performed some interesting analyses, and generally contributed to the scholarly dialog on dark triad personality traits, I would not characterize the paper as "being a nasty person is good for getting resources." Such a statement completely ignores how dark triad personality traits can also contribute to poor outcomes in life.

Even worse, the original paper did not address anything at all about risk analysis for donating to people requesting resources. Yet, the Psychology Today article concludes with "Today, those with dark triad traits might find that the best way to extract rewards is by making a public spectacle of their victimhood and virtue." Is that advice for dark triad people? Is that a warning for altruistic people? Is is a statement about the Internet? Is it a recommendation against donating to people who claim to urgently need help? My point is that the Psychology Today article took a messy subject, left it messy, and suggests the reader walks away more knowledgable.

With the hard sciences it is much easier to home in on the differences between academic papers and what the popular press writes about them. For the soft sciences, it is much more important be critical of the topic of discussion.

Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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Just because evolution is accidental doesn't mean there's no structure behind it (emergent intelligence). Because in this environment they are successful it means there is random genetic changes that give these same traits. How does this explain different phenotypes in grouped populations? Let's say for instance that a species of ant is known to be more aggressive, why it was that way is probably generic drift. Why i…

>How does this explain different phenotypes in grouped populations? Random fixation and/or founder effect, among a myriad of effects that don't involve natural selection. >Let's say for instance that a species of ant is known to be more aggressive, why it was that way is probably generic drift. Why it stays that way is because of its environment, and it is selected for. Or the different alleles for aggressiveness (wh…

Why is the founder effect not a part of natural selection? If one population lives and becomes specialized in a way of life is it not natural selection? All mammals come from a common ancestor and genetic drift occured or the founder effect over a long period of time. There are cave fish that are blind but bred with non blind types gives their offspring eyes back. What is the difference between founder effect, and natural selection? Are they not part of the same force?

Re: “Dark” Personalities Are More Likely to Signal Victimhood

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After having unrestricted access to bulletin board systems and the internet since being 10 years old, I have to say with some disappointment that if the dark triad personality type is on the rise, it has to be related to what is now unrestricted free internet for everyone. The current version of the internet having been commercialized and available everywhere creates a sort of machine learning feed back loop for narc…

I definitely see that but could not write this so elegantly. There's forum trolls that comment everywhere to show their mark online. The girls I've dated are different. I don't like most of them anymore because of the things you pointed out. It wasn't that way even a few years ago. Screen addiction is my problem. It's essentially a neon sign you change at your whim to do anything and color really changed perspective. I disabled colors on my devices to attempt to better work.
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