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Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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We need to stop introducing artificial racist/sexist affirmative action policies and instead stick to including people based on merit. The injection of this ideology everywhere is pernicious, unnecessary, and discriminatory.

Although hopefully becoming weaker over time, people still hold biases against different groups. Until these biases don’t exist it makes sense to be aware of them and try to correct

what is racism? To me giving someone a benefit due to their skin color is racist.

Affirmative action is racist in nature.

A good test is to replace the race with “white European”. And if the statement offends it’s racist.

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

#22
I’m all for this (meaning bringing diverse co-investors into rounds). I’d add that as entrepreneurs we should add LP riders when doing rounds (where’s your money from?!).

Can’t say I know all these funds super well - they’re not big names outside of a couple - but helping diverse co-investors build track records is a good idea on a bunch of levels. It’s all friends and family anyway.

I will say that Greycroft is one of the few funds who I respect deeply in how they operate and don’t treat “diversity” as an add-on. They’re just a really smart group of people, that I’ve enjoyed every interaction with, that actually have a diverse set of experiences and interesting points of view And investment theses that scale across diverse sociopoltifla outcomes. Novel I know!

I see a few misguided comments here not worth responding too about “merit” and what not. I’ll deal with your anguish if you make a point of it, but please bring some original thought, non-anecdotal or not-bad research cause I feel like I’m reading a bad /r/* thread in the below.

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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I love how everyone uses throwaways in these comments because they know any deviation from the progressive-left line will get them cancelled! I’ll say it under my name - I’m completely old fashioned and probably racist / sexist / *-phobic whatever because I still agree with Martin Luther King that it is morally correct to judge someone by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I’m so tota…

MLK explicitly advocated for policies that gave preferential treatment to Black people, so it's a bit surprising to see such a fan of his taking this stance by invoking King. For example, here's a quote from his book "Why We Can't Wait":

> Whenever the issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man is entered at the starting line in a race three hundred hears after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up.

The Internet Archive has this book available for free to check out, you can read more on his argument around page 134 right here: https://archive.org/details/whywecantwait00king/page/134/mod...

Essentially King is arguing that the government should promote the same kind of preferential hiring and other benefits that veterans get, but for members of other disadvantaged groups.

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

#24

We need to stop introducing artificial racist/sexist affirmative action policies and instead stick to including people based on merit. The injection of this ideology everywhere is pernicious, unnecessary, and discriminatory.

The fact is (this is fact, not ideology) VCs tend to : -discriminate positively White and Asian men because they are White and Asian man independently of their merit -discriminate negatively all other people because they are women, black people... independently of their merit

In France Oussama Ammar (the local Paul Graham) clearly advice to female entrepreneur, and to Black and Arab entrepreneur to preferably choose a business or strategy where they can bootstrap cause raising fund will be harder to them. Recently there have been many post about black entrepreneurs and VCs. And there is an interesting HBR article [1] showing some biais in investing in woman startup in Sweden (country known for its gender equality)

These racist and sexist bias and discrimination has two consequences : - Lack of fairness as merit is clearly not the only thing taken into consideration ; with positive unfair impact for White men, and negative unfair impact for women, Black people... - "Bad" investment by the VC, that could have much better by investing based on "merit" and not (unconsciously) on skin color or gender. This has negative impact on the VC companies... and more generally on the economy.

So finding ways to judge startup more on merit, being able to lower the bias is also a business decision that make sense and that will have positive impact on the VC performance and the economy. Getting more diversity in the VC firm just do it (and if VC are biased against black and woman startuper, we can imagine such bias used to be true for hiring people)

[1] https://hbr.org/2017/05/we-recorded-vcs-conversations-and-an...

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all carry biases, including towards/against groups we wouldn't expect to be biased towards/against. We probably all start with blank slates, but, unless you've had zero interactions with the outside world, you'd have to work actively to retain that blank-slate outlook. In aggregate, we run the risk of collectively creating various forms of systemic bias. We can test for these systemic biases (we have) and prove th…

> We can test for these systemic biases (we have) How do you propose testing this? Typically, a difference in outcomes is taken as evidence of systemic bias, but it isn't the same thing. For example, if one cohort commits more crimes, they are going to have more police interactions, more arrests, and so forth. But that's not a systemic bias. Unfortunately the recent "anti-racist" authors like Ibram Kendi have been pu…

Example of bias from some VC against woman (was done is Sweden, know for its gender equality): https://hbr.org/2017/05/we-recorded-vcs-conversations-and-an...

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although hopefully becoming weaker over time, people still hold biases against different groups. Until these biases don’t exist it makes sense to be aware of them and try to correct

what is racism? To me giving someone a benefit due to their skin color is racist. Affirmative action is racist in nature. A good test is to replace the race with “white European”. And if the statement offends it’s racist.

Do we agree that current VC, mostly because of unconscious bias, are racist and sexist ?

Then what do you suggest to change this situation ?

I am not super comfortable with counsious positive discrimination as a momentary tool to correct a discriminatory situation (with negative impact on the whole society), but it is hard to imagine solutions without using this tool.

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

#27

Aside from arbitrary virtue signaling and moral grand standing, what's the point? $1 is $1 no matter which pocket it comes from. Also, this would be introducing discrimination based on immutable traits - two steps backwards there guys...

Well, invstors unconscious bias against Black people, against woman and many other (and unconscious positive discrimination of White and Asian men) is hurting the tech ecosystem [1] [2] which isn't good either for current VC and for the society in general.

This action helps the VC to get more fair... and better investors (this is good for their economic performances). Then this can have a positive impact on the tech sector and the whole society...

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesnonprofitcouncil/2018/02/... [2] https://hbr.org/2017/05/we-recorded-vcs-conversations-and-an...

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

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post #23
post #5

I love how everyone uses throwaways in these comments because they know any deviation from the progressive-left line will get them cancelled! I’ll say it under my name - I’m completely old fashioned and probably racist / sexist / *-phobic whatever because I still agree with Martin Luther King that it is morally correct to judge someone by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. I’m so tota…

MLK explicitly advocated for policies that gave preferential treatment to Black people, so it's a bit surprising to see such a fan of his taking this stance by invoking King. For example, here's a quote from his book "Why We Can't Wait": > Whenever the issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he…

My father in law is a Vietnamese immigrant, came here after communists destroyed his country on a fishing boat. He’s now a retired millionaire!

My neighbor is black, and she drives a $100k+ Mercedes! Country club golfing and sailing type.

My point is, arbitrary assumptions based on race are totally meaningless in 2020. There are people in all social strata of every race. Giving a leg up to someone for being XYZ is dumb - it reduces complex people to simple labels that define how victimized the woke left says they should be.

If we want to talk about giving government assistance to people in poverty regardless of race, I’d be much more amenable. There will be correlations to poverty and race but I think we all agree Oprah and Michael Jordan should not be getting handouts.

As it stands the identity politics movement is ideologically inconsistent and is focused on driving people apart and re-segregating us. This is a movement doomed for failure. We should instead be eliminating our superficial differences and moving beyond bankrupt social justice theories that reduce individuals to mere labels rather than intelligent, thinking independent people with their own agency.

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

#29

We need to stop introducing artificial racist/sexist affirmative action policies and instead stick to including people based on merit. The injection of this ideology everywhere is pernicious, unnecessary, and discriminatory.

Although hopefully becoming weaker over time, people still hold biases against different groups. Until these biases don’t exist it makes sense to be aware of them and try to correct

How do you correct it? By holding racist thoughts of your own that you assume this race thinks that of that one and correct for it without judging them by their actions?

Re: Venture capital firms to include “diversity riders” in term sheets

#30

I’m all for this (meaning bringing diverse co-investors into rounds). I’d add that as entrepreneurs we should add LP riders when doing rounds (where’s your money from?!). Can’t say I know all these funds super well - they’re not big names outside of a couple - but helping diverse co-investors build track records is a good idea on a bunch of levels. It’s all friends and family anyway. I will say that Greycroft is one…

We have recent proof that educational institutions actually discriminate against white and asian pupils.

Your wording suggests animosity, so why would you believe you are less biased than anyone else?

Perhaps you are biased because you spend time on reddit, I wouldn't hold it against anyone, but original thought doesn't make an appearance in this discussion.

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