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Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

Do you think that the same governments which are against cryptography will actually look after your privacy? They'll probably require a pop-up that asks: "Is it okay if Google keeps your data, or should we just send it to the NSA?".

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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This isn't a surprise. Google is a huge company with probably hundreds of teams working on these things. The fact that the privacy settings can be figured out at all is a bit of a miracle. I doubt the privacy settings are "designed" as much as it is a bunch of disparate teams working on it together with maybe somebody coordinating it.

Sorry, that might be an explanation but it’s not an excuse. Privacy controls in a global organisation are a legal requirement for your software, and you don’t get to just haphazardly throw it together.

It's a very recent requirement in a long established industry.

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

I don't like surveillance capitalism at all, and I hope we can stop it once and for all.

I'm also terrified about other kind of developments like https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-a...

So yeah maybe a not so lame cyberpunk future.

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And as many Google people are probably being reminded this week: Assume all of your work emails may some day be public, and used against you or your employer in a court of law. They don't need to be reminded because Google has been coaching staff to basically adopt some sort of Google newspeak: "One part of the presentation, subtitled “Communicating Safely,” advises employees on which terms are “Bad” and “Good.” Ins…

That's regular legal speak.

if you're required to engage in legal speak in normal workplace conversations what's the difference exactly. The only other place I know of where you need to talk in code between two coworkers to not draw the attention of authorities is the mafia

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

> sensible government intervention

I imagine the scene in a noisy Irish pub then total silence and everybody stares at you :)

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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I've tried to follow the links from the article and eventually came across this document [0]

What the attorney general Brnovich references are emails which shows google engineers are aware that people are confused by the settings. The specific example in this case is that your location is still tracked if you enabled Web & App Activity, but disabled Location.

The emails show the google engineers aren't surprised why users would expect a different result. The main reason people are confused, the google engineers think, is because google doesn't display they are still being tracked in their timeline (in this specific case).

Disclaimer: I'm biased against google, but hope I kept it factual.

[0] https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20385394-arizona-v-...

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

#27

Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

I don't like surveillance capitalism at all, and I hope we can stop it once and for all. I'm also terrified about other kind of developments like https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-a... So yeah maybe a not so lame cyberpunk future.

This is exactly what I mean by lame. No modifications that let us jump over buildings. No guns hidden in our arms. No hookers with 3 boobs. Just surveillance and programming of the masses via social media.

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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Hopefully Google is forced to follow Apple's lead and implement consent dialogs into Android to allow/deny tracking or usage of any form of identifier/fingerprint. I am surprised the EU haven't investigated Android and found it breaches GDPR requirements, simply due to the fact it's too easy to collect information that can later be used for analytical purposes without the users consent. I imagine you can find instanc…

The GDPR is one of those "useful" laws created to open the possibilities to strong arm any company at will.

Most of the time it's not really enforced (apart of a couple unlucky few to show they mean business) but if they need to put pressure on any company they know they'll find something to hang them with.

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

#29

Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

> sensible government intervention I imagine the scene in a noisy Irish pub then total silence and everybody stares at you :)

This is the role of the government. Unfortunately, sensible intervention will only become more and more unlikely as we allow mega-corps like google to proceed unimpeded.

(see: revolving door, funding of political parties, control of search results including news, etc)

Re: Even Google engineers are confused about Google’s privacy settings

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post #21

Some sensible government intervention would be nice. Into Google and most of these tech giants, actually. Who ever thought that our cyberpunk future would be such a lame and mundane dystopia.

Do you think that the same governments which are against cryptography will actually look after your privacy? They'll probably require a pop-up that asks: "Is it okay if Google keeps your data, or should we just send it to the NSA?".

I'm not sure what cryptography laws have to do with anything. But in this false dichotomy, I'd much rather the NSA have the data. They have far less power and influence. Google censors dissidents and shapes public opinion each and every day.
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