"introduced an enhanced scrollbar behavior that made scrollbars hidden by default"
That's not enhanced at all, it's horrible, and scrollbars should be more contrastful and bigger again
Scrollbar Blindness
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Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#22I’ve encountered this last year when I took over a project with a dev staff solely using Chrome on macOS.
The thing was: We catered for gamers which means Chrome or Firefox on Windows was the norm. We got a lot of bug reports like “hideous scrollbars in shop item description” or “hideous scrollbars in menu” where the devs were puzzled about the bug reports.
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#23I loathe the fact that scrollbars are now hidden. I'm constantly looking for it to either a) find out how big the page is b) scroll more precisely I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar?
> I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar? IMO it's all part of this push to combine mobile and desktop UI. On mobile there is a legitimate case to be made for removing them because screen real estate is so precious. But desktop gets clobbered as an unwanted side effect.
I actually think it has more to do with the increasing size and sophistication of the touchpad in Macs. There is no need for a scroll bar when you have a touchpad you can flick (likewise for magic mice).
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#24I loathe the fact that scrollbars are now hidden. I'm constantly looking for it to either a) find out how big the page is b) scroll more precisely I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar?
They can be partially or completely re-enabled in the settings on MacOS.
Where/how?
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#25Increasingly many sites are opting for overlay scrollbars that are exceedingly difficult to actually use. It's almost as if they don't want you to use the scrollbar yet provide one for compliance. They are often very thin (just a few pixels) and coloured dark gray upon black background and won't expand to a bigger size until you successfully squint and hunt it down and precisely position the pointer over it.
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#26I loathe the fact that scrollbars are now hidden. I'm constantly looking for it to either a) find out how big the page is b) scroll more precisely I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar?
I wonder if the designers of the systems , after becoming so bored with the status quo, begin to fetishize the sleek hidden thing that is scroll bar right now ... like when coders are writing algorithms for say, 10-15 years I bet their code gets a lot more compact and sleek looking , almost akin to tight 3 character variable leet code solutions etc.. maybe this is just the same phenomenon tearing its head in the design world , except instead of compact code blocks its compact UIs that , to a certain metric, yes , the designer has pushed further on a certain metric ex; see more of the application window cause scroll bar is hidden, but loses sight of what is lost.
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#27> If you are a front-end developer that uses macOS, I kindly ask you to dedicate a little more attention to how the websites you create behave on platforms other than your own.
I'd take that one step farther - no matter what platform you code on, test your UX on all the others.
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#28Another one of such thing: please try to scroll on your site using a mouse wheel from time to time, even if you're normally using a touchpad (from your laptop or an external one)! Lot of fancy homepage with scroll animations are awful on anything that isn't scrolling as smoothly as a MacBookPro touchpad. Example: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ is horrible to use on anything that isn't a mobile device or a Mac.
yes, that's pretty terrible, I always scroll with the mouse wheel, since I'm tool old to be rubbing a plate of glass and not feel like a moron. But this one, made my finger hurt a bit and I din't even make it half way down.
Try arrow keys for scrolling
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#29Yes! Far too many developers now only check that the page renders nicely on Chrome on their expensive macbook. While most of their users may be having a less than stellar screen and don't see the contrasts, run old hardware and a different OS+browser combo.
A couple years ago I actually had to buy a new monitor because everyone decided their login UI was ugly and needed to be ultra low contrast. I had to ctrl+a the page to find the text fields. My eyesight isn't particularly bad, just a minor astigmatism.