I would phrase it a little differently: capitalism cancels vanity . Up until the 16th-18th centuries (in Europe), the best way to get rich was to use force to loot/steal from others. Capitalism was the result of a set of institutions which allowed for more widespread trade, and profit from innovation.[1] These institutions took money from the rich who used their wealth for vanity projects (the passions this author de…
I don't think the article is actually advocating a return to feudal monarchy.
Capitalism Cancels the Passions
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#23Capitalism doesn't cancel passions. On the contrary, it directs them into a constructive direction. And other people willing to pay money is a very strong indicator that your passion is net positive. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about making craft beer. Or artisan bread. Or niche software. This is how most modern companies were founded. This is how the Western society was built.
You break the feedback loop and people start being passionate about tribal feelings. How to take from someone else, rather than create your own. How to make the alleged oppressor's life worse, rather than your customers' lives better.
I think, if we wanted to preserve a civilized society where happiness prevails over suffering, we should find a way to restore the old school pre-corporation Capitalism, rather than focusing on destroying it completely.
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Edit: note that this point is unfair to the original comment it’s responding to, which was repeating the argument of the article—the point should stand against the article, not the parent. Eh be careful of talking about capitalism in terms of it being “created” it perpetuates one of the old lies of capitalism: that it is an inherently rational system (in your formulation, a designed one). Capitalism grew organically…
I think your point that most pro "capitalism" folks will take issue with is that while there has never been a system in which all resources are perfectly allocated, it is believed that the information in prices set by a free market can do a much better job of allocating resources in the long run than any other known system, (including communism, socialism, or an autocracy). So sure, free markets are emergent properti…
It's a very specific American thinktank led strain of thought that declares America's success is "capitalism" and not robust and responsive democratic institutions which aggressively try and prevent corruption.
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> capitalism was created so that passions wouldn’t result in autocratic regimes “Capitalism was created” by whom? What about exceptions, such as Chile under Allende?
You’re the second person who has confused my paraphrasing of the article’s arguments as my own. I’m not sure who created capitalism because that is not my own argument . I am in fact arguing against the article’s core premise, albeit from a different angle. Edit, here’s the key sentence from the article about capitalism, since I’m being downvoted: > A system devised to nullify human passions by keeping us focused, in…
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#27"Libertarians sometimes debate whether the "real" or "authentic" meaning of a term like "capitalism" is (a) the free market, or (b) government favoritism toward business, or (c) the separation between labor and ownership, an arrangement neutral between the other two; Austrians tend to use the term in the first sense; individualist anarchists in the Tuckerite tradition tend to use it in the second or third.[12] But in ordinary usage, I fear, it actually stands for an amalgamation of incompatible meanings.
"Suppose I were to invent a new word, "zaxlebax," and define it as "a metallic sphere, like the Washington Monument." That's the definition — "a metallic sphere, like the Washington Monument." In short, I build my ill-chosen example into the definition. Now some linguistic subgroup might start using the term "zaxlebax" as though it just meant "metallic sphere," or as though it just meant "something of the same kind as the Washington Monument." And that's fine. But my definition incorporates both, and thus conceals the false assumption that the Washington Monument is a metallic sphere; any attempt to use the term "zaxlebax," meaning what I mean by it, involves the user in this false assumption. That's what Rand means by a package-deal term.
"Now I think the word "capitalism," if used with the meaning most people give it, is a package-deal term. By "capitalism" most people mean neither the free market simpliciter nor the prevailing neomercantilist system simpliciter. Rather, what most people mean by "capitalism" is this free-market system that currently prevails in the western world. In short, the term "capitalism" as generally used conceals an assumption that the prevailing system is a free market. And since the prevailing system is in fact one of government favoritism toward business, the ordinary use of the term carries with it the assumption that the free market is government favoritism toward business.
"And similar considerations apply to the term "socialism." Most people don't mean by "socialism" anything so precise as state ownership of the means of production; instead they really mean something more like "the opposite of capitalism." Then if "capitalism" is a package-deal term, so is "socialism" — it conveys opposition to the free market, and opposition to neomercantilism, as though these were one and the same.
"And that, I suggest, is the function of these terms: to blur the distinction between the free market and neomercantilism. Such confusion prevails because it works to the advantage of the statist establishment: those who want to defend the free market can more easily be seduced into defending neomercantilism, and those who want to combat neomercantilism can more easily be seduced into combating the free market. Either way, the state remains secure."
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#29Oh, the irony...
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I think your point that most pro "capitalism" folks will take issue with is that while there has never been a system in which all resources are perfectly allocated, it is believed that the information in prices set by a free market can do a much better job of allocating resources in the long run than any other known system, (including communism, socialism, or an autocracy). So sure, free markets are emergent properti…
Except they never offer much evidence to support this statement. "Capitalism exists therefore it is efficient". While one can point to the proposed historical alternatives, it's not an automatically conclusive argument that "not-capitalism" was the problem in say, Soviet Russia as opposed to the fact that the government was defacto a brutal authoritarian dictatorship (i.e. not democratic) that was also incredibly cor…
Systems like socialism and communism require some central economic decision authority which controls what people can eat, drive, where they can work and travel and live. These people are expected to do this for the good of others, yet they hold tremendous power. Such power attracts corruption and cannot be defended from it. So socialist systems always become hopelessly corrupt as the do-gooders are instantly outcompeted in the race for power by people who only care about power. Because of course the power-hungry will gain power better than those who want power only to do good; the power hungry are fighting 100% for the goal while the do-gooders are fighting for another goal as well. It's no contest.
Worse, since that central authority has both economic and police power over people, there's no practical way to replace it. A corrupt corporation can be peacefully outcompeted or allowed to die, but the government itself cannot be - it must be overthrown with mass violence.
Systems like anarchy require that individuals self-organize into collectives and work for the good of the collective instead of the good of themselves. Of course such systems become corrupt 5 minutes after scaling beyond Dunbar's number, because there's no mechanism to punish free-riders (aside from some kind of mob justice, or a hyper-invasive police authority).
Unlike socialism, capitalism is decentralized. The government doesn't need to hold so much authority over the details of peoples' lives - where they work, what they eat, where they travel - so there's nothing to corrupt. There is no center of power to corrupt, nowhere for the power-hungry to steal from the do-gooders. There is only the contest to make money; a single goal which is inherently attractive since it brings status and wealth and sex, but when you accomplish this goal you also do good as a side-effect.
So it's not democratic institutions preventing corruption in capitalism. Capitalism is inherently resistant to corruption in a way that socialism and anarchism aren't, because the individual incentives are aligned.