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One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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> Such resistance is not unprecedented. When Gallup in 1954 asked U.S. adults who had heard or read about the then-new polio vaccine, "Would you like to take this new polio vaccine (to keep people from getting polio) yourself?" just 60% said they would, while 31% said they would not. So far, willingness to adopt a new vaccine looks similar today.

Interesting that attitudes haven't changed. I read a bit more about the history of the polio vaccine.

In 1938, FDR founded the March of Dimes, a nonprofit to help people with polio. Incidentally, this is why the US 10 cent coin has FDR's face on it. That nonprofit funded Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin, the researchers who developed two different kinds of Polio vaccines in the 50s. Salk published in 1953, and large scale trials began in '54 and concluded in '55. Note, the Gallup poll was made in 1954, when the vaccine was still in trials. The successful vaccine was then licensed, and promoted by March of Dimes. "The annual number of polio cases fell from 35,000 in 1953 to 5,600 by 1957. By 1961 only 161 cases were recorded in the United States."[1]

In 1955, a manufacturer of the Salk polio vaccine had failed to properly inactivate the virus, leading to the deaths of 11 children, and 250 cases of paralysis. This led to a temporary drop in vaccine confidence, and the adoption of Sabin's less dangerous oral vaccine across the USSR and other non-US countries. Despite opposition from the March of Dimes, Sabin's vaccine replaced Salk's vaccine in the 60s.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#1935

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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My recently retired brother thinks that he will die soon. He's in excellent health. He believes that there will soon be a mandatory vaccine that will include nano-microchips to track and control people, and that he will be killed while resisting its administration.

I don't even vaguely believe the microchip thing, but if it is mandatory and they do try to force it on him, I believe he is actually prepared to die fighting it.

Yes, he's a conspiracy nut. But he's far from alone. I've met several people with the same attitude here, in a different state. They are uniformly serious and well armed. We should consider if the cost of widespread armed resistance outweighs the health benefits of universal vaccination. Even if you don't care much about the lives of the resisters, consider that deaths among those tasked with enforcing such a mandate would be high.

I'm an advocate for vaccines to my brother and to these other people. If it is optional I will likely take it, even seek it out. But I may well resist if it isn't optional, though not violently. It isn't clear to me that the difference between the herd immunity we've developed so far, and the immunity we can reach with a vaccine starting in several months is that great. Like protesters that aren't social distancing, I believe that the threat to civil rights is a greater danger than the virus at this point.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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> Such resistance is not unprecedented. When Gallup in 1954 asked U.S. adults who had heard or read about the then-new polio vaccine, "Would you like to take this new polio vaccine (to keep people from getting polio) yourself?" just 60% said they would, while 31% said they would not. So far, willingness to adopt a new vaccine looks similar today. Interesting that attitudes haven't changed. I read a bit more about the…

But it did change. There was a time when things like childhood immunizations were ubiquitous in the US. There was a time when STEM education was heavily funded.

Then the cold war started to wrap up. And the anti-vaxxers came on the scene. And now everything about vaccinations is political. So we've seen a drastic change again.

Consider the CDC's data on pertussis over the last century to see an illustration of the outcomes. Note that death rates are still down, these are reported infections:

https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting/cases-by-year.h...

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Considering I had the damn thing in January, why would I? The notion that this virus wasn't here until March is not proven.

Because it's unclear how long antibodies last. Unless you've had a positive antibody test it seems like a reasonable measure to protect people around you.

Immunity is more than just antibodies

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's unclear how long antibodies last. Unless you've had a positive antibody test it seems like a reasonable measure to protect people around you.

Immunity is more than just antibodies

Yeah? You are suggesting you could be immune but show negative on an antibody test? How?

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immunity is more than just antibodies

Yeah? You are suggesting you could be immune but show negative on an antibody test? How?

T-cells. Or genetic differences that make you naturally immune.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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1 in 4 in Portugal: https://www.publico.pt/2020/08/08/sociedade/noticia/quatro-p... I personally will probably not do it as well for a while as I am not an at-risk group and don't fully trust the 'speedy' trials.

The only ‘speedy’ aspect is starting the trials quicker There’s no way to speed up the actual results of the trials.

Of course there is. It’s a lot easier to say something has no harmful side effects if patients are observed for longer after taking it.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah? You are suggesting you could be immune but show negative on an antibody test? How?

T-cells. Or genetic differences that make you naturally immune.

Or just false negative of the test itself.
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