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What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by hh3k0 »

close04 wrote: post #17
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #11

It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…

Please educate yourself on the matter:

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by PedroBatista »

makomk wrote: post #5

Forget TikTok and the US for a moment - just given the actions of China, the EU, and India, is there even such a thing as a global internet anymore?

Why didn't you start with the actions of the US and US companies? Did you forgot about the many FB and Google scandals over the years? or you just don't care because they are your team?

The Internet never was "Global", it was always soft and sometimes hard controlled by the US. Now that other countries are applying the same recipe and "winning" all of a sudden that's a problem.

And it really is a problem, but it was a problem since the very beginning of the Internet, or do I need to mention the RSA backdoor, the Windows kernel backdoor, the amazing health of the ECHELON project even decades after the cold war ended?

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

spanhandler wrote: post #19
cletus wrote: post #13

It should be clear to all but the most biased that: 1. Chinese companies are extensions of the state. This is not true to the same degree for US or European companies; and 2. China deliberately restricts access to the Chinese market so no foreign company will "win" there. It will always be a Chinese company. This is why companies kowtowing the China is so pointless. Trade is about reciprocity. Separation from the sta…

This is pretty much exactly my take on this, down to the assessment that shaking up Chinese trade policy is just about the only halfway sensible thing Trump has done. Are we crazy or has most of the rest of HN somehow missing the point of all this? The discussions about this here have been perplexing.

Most people still fall for the line that Trump only rags on China because he's racist, and think that China's govt is basically the same as other govts.

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by pinkfoot »

threeseed wrote: post #20
close04 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…

You can file a freedom of information request or launch a lawsuit to contest a policy. You can be a whistleblower and leak illegal or immoral policies to media organisations. Or as an individual you can push journalists to investigate. Or launch an online campaign to draw attention to a particular issue. You can't do any of that in China.

Can your company legally tell me how many FISA warrants and NSL letters they received in my FOIA request?

Of course not.

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

close04 wrote: post #17
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #11

It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…

The scale and nature of what is captured is COMPLETELY different, and American laws about data protection are completely different.

America has clear rules in place before stored data can be accessed by the state, with few exceptions.

China has a blanket policy of supplying all data to the state at its request, and there is no independent judiciary or other means of appealing this process.

Instead of Whataboutism, consider looking into why every major nation in the world (bar a few heavily reliant allies) are turning on China as the extent and nature of their policies and intentions has become impossible to ignore. Xi is a large part of this strategic turn in what was already an Orwellian dictatorship - read about his geostrategic goals.

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #11

It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

>every bit of data imaginable about American children //

TikTok is pretty inane, what do you think they can find out that's detrimental; how do you think the data will be used that is malicious?

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by close04 »

hh3k0 wrote: post #21
close04 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…

Please educate yourself on the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

The condescending tone was completely unnecessary given that you failed to even comprehend my point. Your leg to stand on is that TikTok's (China's?) "shit" smells the worst as such "we" have the moral high ground. A slightly less smelling "shit" is shit nonetheless. The world isn't binary and not being the worst doesn't make you good. But I see a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism that prevents you from even looking further than "they're worse so we must be good".

Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

pinkfoot wrote: post #25
threeseed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can file a freedom of information request or launch a lawsuit to contest a policy. You can be a whistleblower and leak illegal or immoral policies to media organisations. Or as an individual you can push journalists to investigate. Or launch an online campaign to draw attention to a particular issue. You can't do any of that in China.

Can your company legally tell me how many FISA warrants and NSL letters they received in my FOIA request? Of course not.

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Re: What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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Post by threeseed »

pinkfoot wrote: post #25
threeseed wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can file a freedom of information request or launch a lawsuit to contest a policy. You can be a whistleblower and leak illegal or immoral policies to media organisations. Or as an individual you can push journalists to investigate. Or launch an online campaign to draw attention to a particular issue. You can't do any of that in China.

Can your company legally tell me how many FISA warrants and NSL letters they received in my FOIA request? Of course not.

FOIA obviously doesn't apply to everything. But in the case of FISA it is overseen by an independent judiciary and all of the deliberations and controversies were widely covered by the independent press.

Not to mention independent organisations like ACLU, EFF etc. who have been very vocal about trying to abolish the FISA process entirely.

Again none of this would remotely happen in China. We've seen first hand what happens to the media and dissenters in HK.

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