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New Jersey police are pressing felony charges for retweeting an officer’s photo

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Re: New Jersey police are pressing felony charges for retweeting an officer’s photo

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Sometimes it feels like the culture of American policing and criminal justice is so broken that we just need to start over from scratch.

Here's an explanation for non-US readers, or US readers who don't understand how police are integrated into the judicial system.

The defunding movement hasn't been well-explained in the press, but the actual core reality is that police unions need to be removed, and to remove the police unions, you have to start over with new police forces.

There's 4 problems that need to be solved first though:

1) After you start over, how do you prevent a new union forming?

2) In the USA, District Attorneys (DA's), etc. are elected. To get elected, police union support at election time is needed/helpful.

3) How do you move existing court cases ahead after you fire the arresting officers?

4) Even though police officers often have misconduct, the DA needs their testimony to be believable for cases. So the misconduct is generally suppressed from public view.

As you can see, the dependency of DA's on police officers alone makes this issue very difficult to solve, and when combined with unlimited legal aid from police unions is insurmountable.

Canada, which operates quite differently than the US (DA's are appointed), also has a problem with police unions stonewalling investigations. The officers involved just remain silent and lawyer up, the same as the US.

Re: New Jersey police are pressing felony charges for retweeting an officer’s photo

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Officer photo here: http://archive.vn/qySKX

So I assume that protestors wanted him identified because 1) he was abusive, and 2) he didn't have any fully visible identifying badge number - which if there was then arguably these citizen journalists could simply make a police report via official route instead of depending on public crowdsourcing?

Re: New Jersey police are pressing felony charges for retweeting an officer’s photo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the "guilty until proven innocent" framework. I don't know about New Jersey, but the rest of the USA doesn't do it that way for criminal law. That said, I completely agree that defending yourself against a criminal charge in the USA is far too expensive.

> I don't know about New Jersey, but the rest of the USA doesn't do it that way for criminal law. Do you not read the newspaper? People plea out to drug possession when there is video evidence of police planting it, because they can't afford bail and will lose their job and home if they spend 3 months in jail fighting the charge.

I agree with you that there's a huge gap between the intended legal system and the actual legal system, but even those officers who plant evidence will give at least lip service to the "innocent until proven guilty" framework.

Re: New Jersey police are pressing felony charges for retweeting an officer’s photo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know about New Jersey, but the rest of the USA doesn't do it that way for criminal law. Do you not read the newspaper? People plea out to drug possession when there is video evidence of police planting it, because they can't afford bail and will lose their job and home if they spend 3 months in jail fighting the charge.

I agree with you that there's a huge gap between the intended legal system and the actual legal system, but even those officers who plant evidence will give at least lip service to the "innocent until proven guilty" framework.

Do you have experience in the US court as a defendant? Tort or criminal
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