I don't disagree with him but I still think Appcelerator is worth it. Because as annoying as Appcelerator can be it's still quicker than writing your app twice and Apple's devotion to objective-C makes it very hard to carry over code from other platforms. I would give two warnings though (which are supported by the author's piece)... 1. You need to make sure your use case is covered in the Kitchen Sink example. If yo…
Appcelerator Titanium: From a developer's perspective
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#22It feels like there isn't anyone there on the forums. I'm sure as hell not going to pay 2k+ a year to experiment further when the documentation is shoddy (it rarely explains what things do, I had to read source to get doc on the video player).
And the dashboard project doohicky is stupid as hell. Just make some command line tools already, or really really commit to a GUI that works well and supports things like rename. I shouldn't have 4 projects named the same thing because I didn't open an XML file myself and edit it.
If I really need crossplatform whatsits, I'm thinking flashbuilder or that ilk at this point. Titanium did not impress.
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#24"It’s only syntax/static checking is done via JSLint with a pretty arcane set of rules. Want to write one line if statements? That’s a warning. A for loop without checking for property existence? That’s a warning." Someone hasn't read Javascript: The Good Parts.
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#25I'm looking forward to the inevitable follow up post on the author's experience with Phone Gap... Has anyone used Phone Gap before and wants to share their thoughts?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't bought support, so I can only speculate based on their community forum, and public bug tracker. With that out of the way, unless paid support gets custom code deployed to them fixing core platform problems, I don't see it as being a solution. In it's current state I couldn't recommend Titanium to anyone. I hope it continues to improve, and get better, as both the idea and implementation have a ton of positi…
I'd be interested to know what you consider the core platform problems because I've never run into anything that couldn't be worked around. Don't get me wrong. I sympathize. I lost several nights of sleep because I was so angry after a day of using Appcelerator that I literally couldn't calm myself down enough. There were days when I'd decided to not only stop using Appcelerator but to make it my life mission to tell…
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#28I don't disagree with him but I still think Appcelerator is worth it. Because as annoying as Appcelerator can be it's still quicker than writing your app twice and Apple's devotion to objective-C makes it very hard to carry over code from other platforms. I would give two warnings though (which are supported by the author's piece)... 1. You need to make sure your use case is covered in the Kitchen Sink example. If yo…
Aptana makes Java based SDKs and Eclipse plugins. I don't understand how having a slow, bloated code editor as your recommended development environment is going to fix anything. Sure you may get better debugging tools, but that doesn't change the fact that their API is still incomplete, buggy, poorly documented, and lacking support. Appcelerator's problem is focus. Instead of making their API rock solid on core platf…
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#29This was about 5 months ago, so it's possible they drastically improved it in that time (although it doesn't sound like it). But I ran into the exact same issues. Debugging was a pain because of you were writing JavaScript rather than Obj-C and the line or file on some errors were on were entirely unhelpful. Performance (which you don't notice in the simulator) is poor. I was working with tables on iOS, even after cu…
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#30I still value the work I did on the Titanium platform from a prototyping perspective. It did allow me to quickly try a number of things that didn't work, and come upon a workable design. If I could do it over again, I would still prototype with Titanium until I had a design, then port to Objective-C before I actually made things work in Titanium. You can get acceptable performance out of Titanium, if you have a knowledge of the way the underlying SDK works. For example, because I had implemented iPhone and iPad app's before with Objective-C I was able to write the code so that it conformed to the underlying sdk assumptions, in particular tableview code performance wasn't as much of a problem for me as it was for many others because I was aware of how the middleware was likely transforming the code, and was able to construct it to maximize cacheability. I suppose with some platform familiarity and a very simple app, Titanium could be workable.
The decision to port had a couple of other advantages, chiefly that it allowed access to some of the open source mobile plugins that are quite useful, like ShareKit and some of the Augmented Reality code, along with deeper integration and better performance. Switching to Core Data seemed to be reason enough to port.
In the long run, I hope that Apple sees that there is a demand to develop iOS apps in languages other than Objective-C. I would estimate 95% of the iOS code I have written has not been performance sensitive, but has been glue code tying chunks of Apple's SDK together or IO bound background networking code. Being able to use a less verbose language with an extensive standard library and strong C bridging like ruby would speed development without seriously harming performance since sensitive code could still be written in Objective-C.