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More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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It's a perquisite for tagging individuals. IPv4 not having enough addresses is a good thing. With IPv6 identification (and therefore control) can be down to the person globally, but IPv4 forces NAT's. The inability to label all the things is a feature. NAT's are borders; they prevent fine grained censorship without larger consequences. $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i ipv6 # CONFIG_IPV6 is not set

Nearly all modern operating systems use the IPv6 privacy extension, which creates random addresses periodically. Thus the tracking is randomized to the /64 (which is an end customer). This is more or less the same as with IPv4 (without CGNAT)

Is a /64 really an end customer? How common is that?

Both of my ISPs hand out new ISPs hand out new /64 prefixes every so often. One does it every half-hour, the other is comparable but I don't remember. I think they do it to encourage business customers to get more expensive connections, but the effect on my connections is that each device's IP address changes every few minutes, within the ISP's /32, and doesn't repeat in a year... and I do wonder how many IPSs do this.

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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Not just tagging many ISPs especially FTTH/P don’t randomize IPv6 addresses so all the IP addresses in your town, neighborhood and even building share the same prefixes and they are hierarchical so by just knowing your IP address one could figure out where you live.

Network-wise this is a feature. Having the address space reflect network layout allows for vastly simpler, thus more efficient, routing tables.

Oh the poor SRAM on those ASIC's.

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all modern operating systems use the IPv6 privacy extension, which creates random addresses periodically. Thus the tracking is randomized to the /64 (which is an end customer). This is more or less the same as with IPv4 (without CGNAT)

Irrelevant. It's within your subnet, and it's nowhere near 32b. https://www.transtutors.com/questions/how-many-bits-are-need...

In the typical IPv4 setup, your network gets an IPv4 address. Everything in your network is trivial to group.

In the typical IPv6 setup, your network gets an IPv6 prefix from which client devices use randomized and rotating IPs. Everything in your network is trivial to group.

How long the network-identifying address/prefix is stable is purely an ISP design choice - some keep them as long as possible, others force a change regularly.

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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The graph is interesting when you zoom in, much more IPv6 use over the holiday period and also recently during the period of lockdown measures. I would guess the majority of IPv6 traffic comes from devices on 4G networks. More devices are on 4G when visiting family and friends over the Christmas period and when working remotely.

My ISP is still refusing to implement IPv6 :-(

I don’t have it on 4G, either.

edit: am I missing something? The graph shows total IPv6 is 29.86% (which is clearly less than 33.33…%)

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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yeah, like when you have a /32 IPv4 dedicated to your private subnet; it's the same.

Why use IPv6 if you are going to hand out IPv4 addresses? People know why. Even if a few really get 32's, it's PR. The endgame is the same. This is a critical path item for removing the ability to have 2 party value transfers. The power at stake is incalculably valuable.

What do you mean by " Even if a few really get 32's, it's PR."?

The vast majority of IPv4 connections get an IPv4 IP (= a /32), CGNAT is pretty much only used by providers that don't have another choice and has various downsides for users too.

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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Why are is there such a difference between countries?

Could be ISP adoption. Some ISPs have been more progressive in ipv6 than others.

It's funny, I would have expected the countries who got the lion's share of IPv4 addresses to lag behind in IPv6 adoption, but it's the other way around.

Re: More than 1/3 of all access to Google is now over IPv6

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China is aiming for 100% in 2025 according to APNIC, so they've got some ways to go from the 0.53% seen by Google. Is the great firewall ipv4 only perhaps?

Google is blocked in China. So I guess not a lot of traffic is coming from Chinese IPs.
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