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Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by llacb47 » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

pwinnski wrote: post #15

llacb47 wrote: post #7

No, they are removing the ability to create them. The existing contributions will remain.

Not quite. It seems like creators have until September 28 to choose to publish existing community contributions, and if they don't, it seems like they will all disappear. That's how I interpret, "You have until September 28, 2020 to publish your community contributions before they’re removed."

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/61967856?hl=en

    If you have contributions currently saved as drafts, these will be available for the next 60 days (until Sept 28 2020), and you have until then to publish them before they’re removed. Any already published contributions (titles, descriptions, captions, etc) will continue to show up on videos and can be managed by Creators in YouTube Studio.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by at_a_remove » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:10 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #20

dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Ah, so in this version you have thirty-five million people who could agree on what is offensive. That's a daunting task without the "million" involved to begin with.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by aabhay » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

toohotatopic wrote: post #18

Seems like they have enough resources to train their translation NN and speech-to-text NN. I don't think google has introduced those features for the users in the first place but they were a means to get training data.

Came here to say this

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by footlose_3815 » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

uluyol wrote: post #9

Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…

They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.

That's a different argument. The justification for the removal was spam, no?

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by MattGaiser » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

liability wrote: post #11

Google, the company that runs gmail, can't filters a little spam? That's their excuse for removing accessibility features? What utter shitheads.

Gmail doesn’t filter spam all that reliably either.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by MattGaiser » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

uluyol wrote: post #9

Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…

Except for the majority of users, eliminating spam and unmoderated content is far higher on the priority list than maintaining relatively niche features.

Whether it be Reddit or Facebook to YouTube, people are demanding security and greater tech company control over features.

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Post by glenstein » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

deadalus wrote: post #17

Alternative Free video hosting sites : https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://lbry.tv/ https://d.tube/ https://dlive.tv/ https://www.bitchute.com/

The federation of peertube instances, which I feel will eventually be the most critical alternative of all:

https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by MattGaiser » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #20

dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Google made the bed for free and others wanted to pee in it. The rest blamed Google for the bed having pee in it and demanded they do something, including post 24 hour guards around the bed.

I would take the bed away too.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by scoopertrooper » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:21 AM UTC

darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

I think it'd be helpful with community captions were more discoverable. I have no where of checking if the captions on a video are machine translated or human translated without going into sub menus. If the product of the community members' work was more apparent, the contributors would obviously feel like their labour had a bigger impact and want to create more captions.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by acituan » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:27 AM UTC

uluyol wrote: post #9

Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…

> Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust?

I want to remind the loss aversion and status quo bias. We tend to evaluate losses more important than they are, which is why for example it is hard to throw seldom used things away.

That said, why should feature removal mean automatic loss of trust? Because this feature is not important to me personally, it actually increases my trust that they can reorient their focus instead of churning man-hours on a feature just because it existed. Now I get it, it was an important feature for some people, and next day they might remove a feature that I find important, but in aggregate they clearly weighed its usage/perceived importance against removal decision.