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We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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We dont need a Yelp for doctoral programs, we need a Yelp for research labs! It's more about the lab you join than the program itself that makes or breaks your life.

In fact, I have heard that minimally there's kind of a toxic labs blacklist maintained in some Chinese message boards. At least that's what a fellow postdoc told me when I mused why we suddenly stopped getting applicants from China to our lab!

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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Reviews seem like the biggest need. “The culture in the X department is terrible, everyone works 80 hours a week and is miserable” “Night life is great at least, the grad students usually go out for student nights at blah blah after seminar” “Underrated X program because at university Y, don’t be fooled we literally have 4 of the 5 top researchers in field Z” Etc.

But it is so hard for people to give reviews. People seem to give good review when are they are very pissed off or very happy. Later seems to be a very rare case.

I have always thought that bad reviews are sufficient for all purposes, and the only reason to even have good reviews is so the reviewees don't feel overly persecuted.

Any product or service will have occasional customers who are either unreasonable or have bad luck. If you have a lot of bad reviews, then as a prospective customer you want to see if all of them fall under the two categories or whether there is a pattern that is relevant to you.

It seems to me that a review database works fine even when all the reviews are bad, and the only regulation it really needs is an effort to prevent one single individual with a vendetta from overwhelming it.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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No. We don't need a consumer review website, because PhD students (I am one) are not the consumers of doctoral programs. We're the workers. We need a union. If we're in a good program, we're receiving valuable training both in our coursework (or before PhD in an MS/MA if your country does it that way) and in our research work. Ideally, we're building up a network of collaborations and acquaintances in the scientific…

> PhD students (I am one) are not the consumers of doctoral programs. We're the workers

I wish I had the reference, but I remember reading about a study which showed (unsurprisingly) that the high research productivity per dollar in the US is primarily due to the below-market salaries of graduate research assistants and postdocs.

Not so much capitalism - more like a guild system with a lengthy (and perhaps semi-permanent for many postdocs and adjuncts) period of apprenticeship and indenture.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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Good luck getting honest reviews. Graduates and recent post-docs are dependent upon good letters of recommendation from their advisors for perhaps a decade after leaving their research groups. The truly disillusioned won't mind complaining, but those with even constructive criticism will feel constrained in their ability to speak out and be specific. The graduate-student experience is deeply advisor-specific. Profess…

This is a good point. Anonymous reviews are not possible with such a small and easily identifiable set of reviewers.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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post #19

Good luck getting honest reviews. Graduates and recent post-docs are dependent upon good letters of recommendation from their advisors for perhaps a decade after leaving their research groups. The truly disillusioned won't mind complaining, but those with even constructive criticism will feel constrained in their ability to speak out and be specific. The graduate-student experience is deeply advisor-specific. Profess…

Completely agree. I've become increasingly convinced that we'll need a fundamental restructuring of the academy if we want to fix any of these issues. The fact that places like MIT or Stanford will hire professors simply because they output Nature papers every year, regardless of the fact that they are totally abusive to their trainees, is a perfect demonstration of it.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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We dont need a Yelp for doctoral programs, we need a Yelp for research labs! It's more about the lab you join than the program itself that makes or breaks your life. In fact, I have heard that minimally there's kind of a toxic labs blacklist maintained in some Chinese message boards. At least that's what a fellow postdoc told me when I mused why we suddenly stopped getting applicants from China to our lab!

There are PhD programs not attached to research labs. I would say the majority of doctoral students are not attached to one.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

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The last time I tried to interact with Iowa State University ECprE, a professor who I won't name asked me for a $20,000 bribe to do research with their lab. Confirmed their culture is just as toxic as it was a decade ago.

Re: We Need a Yelp for Doctoral Programs

#29
We barely need a Yelp for restaurants. I think it is time for the internet to acknowledge that the pointless drivel in star rating systems is just not helping anyone. If you’re going to start a system for rating things, give it more nuance and value.
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