Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence • Hacker News Board

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by _red » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:49 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

"Lets tear down all confederate statues!"

AND

"My states rights!!!!"

Do you think anyone even processes the irony or has median IQ fallen that its now an impossible realization?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by xenadu02 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:49 PM UTC

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by Munky-Necan » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

I'm surprised that someone hasn't been shot yet. Unmarked camouflage officers in unmarked vans that do not identify themselves as officers sounds like they might get shot at if they try detaining the wrong person.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by DrJokepu » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:52 PM UTC

dontcarethrow2 wrote: post #12

alright, so who pays when the lawsuit goes through? Taxes? How do we get it from the guilty department's budget?

I’m no lawyer, but the article implies that the purpose of the lawsuit is not to seek compensation but to stop the Federal Government from continuing these operations.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by jfengel » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:53 PM UTC

pravus wrote: post #13

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

We were told to shut up and put away our guns because these things could never happen...

Just out of curiosity, if the next headline is that the protesters have shot back at police or border patrol rather than be shoved into a van, what is your likely response?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by kingkawn » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #15

We're at the point where the larger Republican establishment either needs to repudiate and remove this anti-American wannabe dictator, or they're going to find themselves at the guillotine alongside him. Our society cannot take another 6 months of economic destruction, brazen totalitarianism, and weaponized ignorance.

This behavior is the true face of the larger republican establishment.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #22

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

>No one should be OK with it.

Agreed. And no one should be okay with the police standing down while rioters smash public buildings, vandalize and desecrate public spaces and burglarize innocent local businesses. What is the fair middle ground, and how do we get there?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by ntsplnkv2 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

pravus wrote: post #13

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

We were told to shut up and put away our guns because these things could never happen...

Gun owners are just as likely to be on tyranny's side as against it. If it was truly about freedom and anti-authoritarianism not a single gun rights voter should be for the actions taken by the federal government in Portland. They would be against Trump suggesting to send in the army - in fact, they would show force against these things - not against masks.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by krapp » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

pravus wrote: post #13

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

We were told to shut up and put away our guns because these things could never happen...

But you didn't. You replied to those people that they could pry your guns from your cold, dead hands and they would be the first against the wall when the revolution came. You told us you and your guns were the only things keeping the only free state in existence truly free. You waxed poetic about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants. You called anyone who believed in any form of gun control a coward and traitor, clucking with disappointment and condescending to them that "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a bit of safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

And you were happy to rise up in arms over something as trivial as local quarantine ordinances requiring wearing masks in public or limiting your God given right to go to Applebees' any time you wanted.

But when it comes to actual secret police snatching people up off the street into unmarked vans, I guess it's fair game as long as it's "leftists" getting snatched.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by fzeroracer » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #22

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

Unfortunately the way I see people defend this sorta stuff is that they tend to work backwards. They were detained because they are obviously criminals and they are obviously criminals because they are protesters and are guilty by association.

Though I have a feeling that if any of the anti-mask protesters were treated like this you'd see sentiment change rather rapidly.