On Trouser Pockets • Hacker News Board

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by Ensorceled » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:17 PM UTC

Ftuuky wrote: post #2

>"Appendix: Sam, have you simply invented cargo pants? >No. Cargo pants are fashion-as-pretend-occupation — when not at work, wear a fancy chronometer to suggest you’re a pilot or a diver, or camo to suggest you’re in the military. Cargo pants are a paratrooper costume. Cargo shorts have giant external pouches so teenagers in the 90’s, trapped in school, could say (sartorially) “I go out into the world and do adventu…

> Apologies if I'm dense but it is just a reinvention of cargo pants albeit in a more slick way.

What, exactly, do you think cargo pants are? They aren't "any pants with pockets on the side of the leg".

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by mst » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #6

Pamar wrote: post #3

I am sorry, Sam. You just reinvented cargo pants . :P

And the problem with putting cargo in your cargo pants is that it swings when you walk. I have aome great Kuhl pants with similar pocket design, but it's awkward to walk with my phone there. I could perhaps get used to it, especially if they fit a bit tighter as his seem to.

I have what over here in .uk tend to be referred to as "combat trousers", where the side pockets are reasonably spacious (I can fit a 7" tablet in one, though it then doesn't close and I can't get anything else in there) but not sufficiently so that they swing.

The only annoying thing is finding ones where everything including the hip pocket linings are made of the same heavy material, there are too many where that lining is normal smart trouser pocket material and tear through long before the rest of the trousers are showing noticeable wear.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by diiq » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

rm445 wrote: post #13

vsskanth wrote: post #8

Pretty much all work pants (like Dickie's) have this, in addition to regular pockets.

They're good pockets, aren't they? But the ones I've owned seem to be sized and proportioned for a stanley knife or similar, not a phone or wallet. I think the author is onto something, though I'm still not convinced these pockets give a nice line with much in them, which people generally care about. Dickies-type trousers tend to have a looser fit than the pictured trousers. The article photos with a phone held partl…

I suppose I didn't include photos with the phone fully in the pocket because you genuinely can't tell it's there.

There's a slight bulge from the welt of the pocket itself, which I'm still experimenting with, but with-phone is truly indistinguishable from without-phone when I'm standing up. Seated, there's a bulge at the side of the thigh if you really look for it.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

rm445 wrote: post #15

Pamar wrote: post #3

I am sorry, Sam. You just reinvented cargo pants . :P

Cargo pants really look bad with anything in them though, except flattish items like paper money. These trousers look like an improvement. I think the next step is to reinvent the bum bag in a slightly more sartorially-elegant form.

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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by jimminy » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:25 PM UTC

notjustanymike wrote: post #12

These look very much like a pair of hiking pants I have.

Yeah it reminds me of the climbing pants I use for every day wear[0]. I buy them specifically because they have pockets with zippered side access for when sitting.

This looks clean but I'd worry about stuff sliding out of the pocket, as I've had happen with medium-length waist pockets frequently over the years.

[0] https://www.prana.com/p/stretch-zion-convertible-pant/M4SC99...

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by diiq » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:25 PM UTC

annoyingnoob wrote: post #18

You seem kind of touchy on the 'cargo pocket' subject, which is the first thing that came to mind for me. Glad you found something that works for you. Google 'dockers cell phone pocket'. You can already get shorts and pants with a cell phone pocket on the side. Some very similar to yours, some zippered, some a little closer to the hip, some a little lower.

I guess I should re-write that postscript, given how much attention it's receiving. I have nothing against cargo pants! My point was just that they're solving very different problems for different people, and are stuck in a different kind of innovation-rut.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by Kalium » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:26 PM UTC

annoyingnoob wrote: post #18

You seem kind of touchy on the 'cargo pocket' subject, which is the first thing that came to mind for me. Glad you found something that works for you. Google 'dockers cell phone pocket'. You can already get shorts and pants with a cell phone pocket on the side. Some very similar to yours, some zippered, some a little closer to the hip, some a little lower.

Honestly, the author seems mostly to be reacting to the name cargo pants. Thus the reeling off of associations they aggressively dislike.

These are merely pants with additional pockets. Their placement being similar to cargo pants being merely a coincidence...

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by fiter » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:26 PM UTC

annoyingnoob wrote: post #18

You seem kind of touchy on the 'cargo pocket' subject, which is the first thing that came to mind for me. Glad you found something that works for you. Google 'dockers cell phone pocket'. You can already get shorts and pants with a cell phone pocket on the side. Some very similar to yours, some zippered, some a little closer to the hip, some a little lower.

I searched exactly as you said and there were many different designs. This seems to refute the introduction of the article.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by Kalium » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:27 PM UTC

rm445 wrote: post #15

Pamar wrote: post #3

I am sorry, Sam. You just reinvented cargo pants . :P

Cargo pants really look bad with anything in them though, except flattish items like paper money. These trousers look like an improvement. I think the next step is to reinvent the bum bag in a slightly more sartorially-elegant form.

How "bad" they look is part of the aesthetic of cargo pants. Wearing them is in part a deliberate declaration that you do not care about the aesthetic considerations.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by annoyingnoob » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

diiq wrote: post #26

annoyingnoob wrote: post #18

You seem kind of touchy on the 'cargo pocket' subject, which is the first thing that came to mind for me. Glad you found something that works for you. Google 'dockers cell phone pocket'. You can already get shorts and pants with a cell phone pocket on the side. Some very similar to yours, some zippered, some a little closer to the hip, some a little lower.

I guess I should re-write that postscript, given how much attention it's receiving. I have nothing against cargo pants! My point was just that they're solving very different problems for different people, and are stuck in a different kind of innovation-rut.

My experience with a couple of the docker pockets is that my phone falls out when I sit or lay down. Most chairs have the knees slightly higher than the bottom and those pockets end up with the opening pointing slightly down and the contents come out.