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TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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Re: TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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Post by s1t5 »

amrx101 wrote: post #4

Have a simple rant here. All these BIG $ companies every now and then come out with statements and what not, that doing AI ML is very easy and every one including their cats should do AI, ML courses and training(preferably on their platform). Once that is done the job market is yours. Reality is far from this. - Today AI|ML does not have the capability marketed by these big companies. Incidentally marketing is target…

Another side of this that I've seen is people with PhDs in applied mathematics on a research team where a PhD is a hard requirement, spending all of their time passing dataframes around and convincing the sales team that the bar charts in the product are in fact correct.

Re: TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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Post by teruakohatu »

totorovirus wrote: post #9

It is totally possible and easy to use tensorflow/torch if you havn't skipped linear algebra classes. Ph.D is needed if you are going for a job where you design a sophisticated model (not just adding layers, but experimenting with activation, attention etc).

I would say a PhD (or masters degree minimum) is required if you are developing new novel architectures, but not to iterate on existing architectures for a particular application.

Applied Data Science does not require developing as yet unseen architectures, being able to read cutting edge papers and applying the research is more than likely to enough.

Re: TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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wirrbel wrote: post #7

The whole AI/ML stuff has become so hyped up that its probably time to find another topic of interest in software engineering for me. Its a weird melange nowadays where frameworks and "academic credentials" are fused together by major tech companies and leaves me - who has deployed a dozen of classical ML models into production that are still running after couple of years - wondering what this is all about. Overall,…

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Post by bor100003 »

amrx101 wrote: post #4

Have a simple rant here. All these BIG $ companies every now and then come out with statements and what not, that doing AI ML is very easy and every one including their cats should do AI, ML courses and training(preferably on their platform). Once that is done the job market is yours. Reality is far from this. - Today AI|ML does not have the capability marketed by these big companies. Incidentally marketing is target…

Do big companies, offering ML/AI courses hire people with just some of their certificates? I mean, do these courses skip the whiteboarding?

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Post by amelius »

wirrbel wrote: post #7

The whole AI/ML stuff has become so hyped up that its probably time to find another topic of interest in software engineering for me. Its a weird melange nowadays where frameworks and "academic credentials" are fused together by major tech companies and leaves me - who has deployed a dozen of classical ML models into production that are still running after couple of years - wondering what this is all about. Overall,…

"AI/ML engineer" is the new "web developer".

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Post by arvinsim »

amelius wrote: post #25
wirrbel wrote: post #7

The whole AI/ML stuff has become so hyped up that its probably time to find another topic of interest in software engineering for me. Its a weird melange nowadays where frameworks and "academic credentials" are fused together by major tech companies and leaves me - who has deployed a dozen of classical ML models into production that are still running after couple of years - wondering what this is all about. Overall,…

"AI/ML engineer" is the new "web developer".

Years ago, I thought of learning more about AI/ML because I thought that web development was being commoditized.

Time to find another field of interest then.

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Post by lordthirdeye »

mpfundstein wrote: post #5
amrx101 wrote: post #4

Have a simple rant here. All these BIG $ companies every now and then come out with statements and what not, that doing AI ML is very easy and every one including their cats should do AI, ML courses and training(preferably on their platform). Once that is done the job market is yours. Reality is far from this. - Today AI|ML does not have the capability marketed by these big companies. Incidentally marketing is target…

i am doing quite some deep learning work as part of my consultancy practice. And its all hand made stuff , together with lots of trial and error while trying to replicate papers that might be relevant fkr the task at hand. so i totally agree with your statement. big corps overhype the shit out of it in order to sell and lots of n00bs fail for it. regarding your last points. even if its super easy nowadays to deploy Y…

if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "hand made". I'm currently wworking on a information science degree and I'm trying to focus on machine learning and data science. Could you go into a little more detail on what gives something business value?

Re: TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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Post by the_cramer »

wirrbel wrote: post #7

The whole AI/ML stuff has become so hyped up that its probably time to find another topic of interest in software engineering for me. Its a weird melange nowadays where frameworks and "academic credentials" are fused together by major tech companies and leaves me - who has deployed a dozen of classical ML models into production that are still running after couple of years - wondering what this is all about. Overall,…

"I wish we could leave the framework and name-dropping behind and talk more about what it takes to evaluate predictions, how to cope with biases, etc."

We can, can't we? "We" as in professional software developers. I always thought of this word-hyping of a management thing and a buzzword pool for non-techies. I know this influences our work, but that doesn't keep us concentrate on what's really up... or am i wrong?

By the way, I tried getting into ML but i'm really poor at maths and at that time was not willing to put time into maths. And nearly every tutorial back then threw formula after formula at my face... So a bit of mathematical education could not hurt. Doesn't have to be a PhD though.

Re: TensorFlow, Keras and deep learning, without a PhD

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Post by raverbashing »

echelon wrote: post #8

I'm doing deep learning without a data science background. Some of my current results are: * https://vo.codes * https://trumped.com The voices need better data curation and longer training, but some speakers such as David Attenborough are quite good. I've also built a real time streaming voice conversion system. I want to generalize it better so that it can be an actual product. I think it could be a killer app for D…

Great work! (Though it seems to work only with words it knows)

And don't worry, PhD requirements are overrated

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