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Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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amINeolib wrote: post #9
kesor wrote: post #5

Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

With URLs like that, it makes me wonder if they are telling the whole story. I don't understand why people make science "pointed"? Do people get extra credit for not being the status quo? Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist.

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Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Post by unalakleet »

kesor wrote: post #5

Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

Zerocarb has healed by IBS and dramatically improved my mental health (with counseling of course). I was never overweight, but lost a lot of weight anyways, have a much more fit look.

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Post by base698 »

mikece wrote: post #2

It's been used to treat diabetes and seizure victims for a while so, yes. Personally I lost over 70 pounds (from 295 to 225 -- I'm 6'5") at one point using keto. My main concern is whether one who is on the diet for weight loss will become overly sensitive to carbs if/when they start eating them again causing the body to immediately store them away as far instead of burning them (and if so, how long would it take to…

My wife and I have been on and off keto for long stints (6 months) at a time. We eat what most people would consider low carb--no bread or pasta most of the time. Occasionally we sneak in binges of fruit or have ice cream.

Despite times over a week we have carbs both of us never leave ketosis. We seem to stay 1.0 mmol/L or greater even after having carbs.

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Post by nradov »

amINeolib wrote: post #9
kesor wrote: post #5

Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

With URLs like that, it makes me wonder if they are telling the whole story. I don't understand why people make science "pointed"? Do people get extra credit for not being the status quo? Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist.

Unfortunately almost no human nutrition studies meet evidence-based medicine standards. And in fairness to the scientists, the constraints imposed by funding and ethics make it impossible to do really meaningful research. All we get are observational studies which show some correlation, often mixed up with multiple uncontrolled confounding factors.

So if you want to try a different diet like extreme low carb or whatever then go ahead. Maybe it will work for you, maybe it won't. In the worst case it probably won't kill you.

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Post by jahnu »

roenxi wrote: post #6

I'm going to go with a corollary to Murphy's law. Since anything that can go wrong will, every activity or substance is going to be the problem for somebody. As far as I can tell, the only thing that dieticians are consistently against is sugar in large doses.

They are also for the hard to market, varied diet but largely fruit and vegetables, moderate exercise, little or no alcohol, and regular checkups.

I'm failing to some degree on these, I admit.

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Post by Darmody »

I love how we're starting to focus on our diets to prevent or cure a huge amount of diseases. You don't need drugs, expensive treatments, nothing, only a good diet. (read the comments below for an clarification for this statement)

I personally can't work on a very low carb diet. Now I'm eating carbs again but NOT refined carbs. I make sure everything I eat is nutrient dense. Well, not everything, I'm not a robot but I always try to eat stuff with a low glycemic index.

And I eat everything in a span of 8 hours. The rest of the day I only drink water.

Y recommend listening to Dr. Rhonda Patrick. She can explain all this way better than me. She's been on the Joe Rogan podcast (she talks about this in her first time there) and she also has a podcast and a lot of very interesting videos.

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Post by Pelic4n »

Darmody wrote: post #26

I love how we're starting to focus on our diets to prevent or cure a huge amount of diseases. You don't need drugs, expensive treatments, nothing, only a good diet. (read the comments below for an clarification for this statement) I personally can't work on a very low carb diet. Now I'm eating carbs again but NOT refined carbs. I make sure everything I eat is nutrient dense. Well, not everything, I'm not a robot but…

>You don't need drugs, expensive treatments, nothing, only a good diet.

Moms on facebook keep telling me this but my physician disagree! Do you have an essential oil for this?

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Post by jmkerr »

kesor wrote: post #5

Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

'Paleo medicine' sounds like living a long, healthy life and dying an old man at 30.

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Post by cies »

iand wrote: post #10

Can someone explain why ketosis is the secondary energy system in the body and not the primary?

Our bodies are primate bodies. Primates are frugavorian omnivores (get most calories from fruit, and eat very little animal tissue (mostly insects)). Fruit contain mostly carbs: short carbs a.k.a. sugars. We're optimized for eating lots of sugar.

Primates have a hard time producing fat from carbs (a process called lipogenesis), just a few calorie% per day. This, combined with the tiny bits of fat in fruits/insects, we may store as fat tissue.

Here comes ketosis: when we cannot find adequate food supply (starve) we can live off our fat storage, this is what ketosis is for (biologically/evolutionary). It's our starvation mode.

Primates are not made to be in ketosis for long times. We're also not made to eat high fat and/or high protein diets. We're made for a high fruit diet.

Is long term ketosis bad? I believe so, but we still need to do research on this. Many people are trying it on themselves lately, so we will soon know.

Is short term keto dieting bad? Nope. And it may help you to burn that body fat fast. I'd prefer to get into keto by mimicking starvation, a.k.a. (intermittent) fasting, and not by eating lots of fat/protein.

Is eating lots of animal products bad for you? Yes. It's been shown again and again in large studies that humans do better on predominantly whole plant foods.

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