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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by raxxorrax »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

Even if these "toys" were instrumental in driving technological progress, it makes sense to rename it for "conservative" organisations. Some say the smarter ones should give in, so just make it easy to swallow.

Although I don't see widespread adoption yet if Matrix bridges aren't implemented by the common household names. Conservative organisations use solutions from Apple or Microsoft. There is no deeper thought behind it.

That said, I think they just did it because of trademark issues. Private users are probably converted by their environment and probably don't think too much about the name.

Re: Riot is now Element

#22

Post by gadders »

I like what people are doing with Riot/Element/Matrix but it's still a bit janky. Half the chats I join are filled with messages about missing session keys.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by greatgib »

It will be impossible to find on Google. Also, I'm wondering if it a good choice for such a project to use the hipster '.io' domain regarding the risk in a near future with this domain name.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by jayp1418 »

greatgib wrote: post #24

It will be impossible to find on Google. Also, I'm wondering if it a good choice for such a project to use the hipster '.io' domain regarding the risk in a near future with this domain name.

Probably .im might not be available

Re: Riot is now Element

#26

Post by neiljohnson »

raxxorrax wrote: post #21
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

Even if these "toys" were instrumental in driving technological progress, it makes sense to rename it for "conservative" organisations. Some say the smarter ones should give in, so just make it easy to swallow. Although I don't see widespread adoption yet if Matrix bridges aren't implemented by the common household names. Conservative organisations use solutions from Apple or Microsoft. There is no deeper thought beh…

Worth pointing out that some of the largest proponents of Matrix today are governments and civic institutions. The federated nature and ability to self host are really important to them.

The French government's installation has been in the public domain for sometime (https://matrix.org/blog/2018/04/26/matrix-and-riot-confirmed...)

More recently the German Education authority has announced that it will roll out a 500K user installation - this is the world’s largest-ever single contract for a collaborative software service (https://sifted.eu/articles/element-germany-deal/)

Re: Riot is now Element

#27

Post by chessmango »

greatgib wrote: post #24

It will be impossible to find on Google. Also, I'm wondering if it a good choice for such a project to use the hipster '.io' domain regarding the risk in a near future with this domain name.

Feel like I'm missing something important here. What's happening with .io?

Re: Riot is now Element

#28

Post by solarkraft »

izietto wrote: post #9

I don't like the new name, is too generic. I think an original alternative would have been better, like Trello, Slack, ...

Agreed. Catchy names also have 1 to 2 syllables, usually, so Element seems a bit unwieldy. But maybe they want to step back a bit and give the Matrix brand a boost.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by KingOfCoders »

gkoberger wrote: post #10
izietto wrote: post #9

I don't like the new name, is too generic. I think an original alternative would have been better, like Trello, Slack, ...

I think those names are taken. (Really though, Slack is as generic of a word as Element! It just had a strong connotation now)

People often get confused, they think the word is strong (Nike,Google,...) while the word nearly never is. As you've said it's the other way around, what the company evokes in us with their product over time is brought back to the name.

Re: Riot is now Element

#30

Post by auscompgeek »

echelon wrote: post #19

Speaking of names, I'm upset that the username I go by is taken. I'm echelon @ { gmail, HN, Twitter, Github, Gitlab, Square Cash, etc }, but found Riot / Matrix just a few months too late to get my username. I'm not satisfied with the "just stand up your own server" response as an alternative. I know it's cutting off my nose, but I've avoided using it because of this. I'm OCD about stupid usernames. I wish unused use…

Matrix.org is just one of plenty of public homeservers if you don't want to host your own.
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